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Google Is Not God of the Web

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Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#51
post #14

Google Search is in a horrendous state right now. Search results have been getting worse each year, with interesting information being buried 20 pages down. I really hope they have plans to improve this or find an approach that works as a middle ground for generic SEO content.

> Google Search is in a horrendous state right now.

I bet they simply optimized for the average person on the web, and we're outliers.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#52
post #33
post #14

Google Search is in a horrendous state right now. Search results have been getting worse each year, with interesting information being buried 20 pages down. I really hope they have plans to improve this or find an approach that works as a middle ground for generic SEO content.

This seems like a common claim here on HN. I would expect the creativity of the world's SEO hackers to outstrip any single team, so I expect you'rer right. But I struggle to find queries where interesting information isn't in the top handful of links. [badgers in montana], [while loop python], [how to fix noisy refigerator], [nude stallman] all do just fine. Are there veins of queries that are particularly polluted?…

The search AI probably opted out because of your preferences... I often search error messages, but sometimes I don't find anything and I think to myself: - Am I the only person in the world who got this error!? Or I finally find a forum post and the answer is "just google it"

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#53
post #14

Google Search is in a horrendous state right now. Search results have been getting worse each year, with interesting information being buried 20 pages down. I really hope they have plans to improve this or find an approach that works as a middle ground for generic SEO content.

I have to append 'reddit' to a lot of queries now to find relevant information it seems. I was researching standing desks recently and was having a hard time getting through the cruft with regular google searches.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#54

> There is a very reasonable argument for essential services like search engines and news websites to conform to/adopt standards like AMP, but for the rest of The Open Web, ingenuity and risktaking should be encouraged, not discouraged, for the true good of all Peoplekind. Hadn't really considered this - because minimalist page size is often such a given - but, for instance, many amateurs often don't know yet how to…

Actually, I'd be interested in an alternative web where ingenuity and risk-taking would be utterly forbidden. Just HTML, and a very basic subset at that. No Javascript at all, no CSS. So much of the web would be better and more universally usable without "modern" cruft.

Who decides what is and isn't cruft? You?

Is data journalism cruft? Are web applications? Is Google Office cruft? What about the web application my parents have been using to order groceries during the pandemic - that has loads of JS, and loads of CSS to make it readable to anyone over 40. Does that qualify as cruft?

Are dyslexia friendly styelsheets cruft? Is Google Maps cruft? It's full of JavaScript. Are browser games cruft? I played QuakeJS last night and had a lot of fun with it. I was also using a WebXR 3D app the other day to preview a rental property remotely - is being able to socially distance myself cruft?

It's all cruft until you ask the people who use it.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#55
post #38

It's funny that Google is so large, that one way to grow their business is to improve the user experience of the internet as a whole.

There is no way that anybody would see /amp as improving the user experience of the internet as a whole other than an "product management by KPI" dumbed down organization.

AMP is a huge, huge improvement over the sites that it was intended to help: local news sites that are unusable, tab-crashing, malware-infested swamps. I don't know what their problem is, but they are like drug addicts and AMP is their rehab. Without AMP these sites are simply useless.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#56

It's funny that Google is so large, that one way to grow their business is to improve the user experience of the internet as a whole.

> Google is so large, that one way to grow their business is to improve the user experience of the internet as a whole.

(where user = advertiser)

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#57
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a common claim here on HN. I would expect the creativity of the world's SEO hackers to outstrip any single team, so I expect you'rer right. But I struggle to find queries where interesting information isn't in the top handful of links. [badgers in montana], [while loop python], [how to fix noisy refigerator], [nude stallman] all do just fine. Are there veins of queries that are particularly polluted?…

Did you actually search “nude stallman”? I can’t bring myself to do it for obvious reasons but I am curious what you saw.

The worst recesses of hell, lurking in the back of your mind, suddenly brought to the forefront. The sort of thing you sleep to get away from.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#58
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did Google ever do for us?

The same type of question would be what have the Romans ever done for us in Europe and abroad except building all roads, aqueducts and Roman law legal system. Here you have Monty Python asking that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7tvauOJMHo

I'm 90% sure s/he's asking sarcastically a là Life of Brian.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#59
post #3

Google has largely made the internet a safer and more efficient system by pushing standards through their market dominance. Is this a bad thing?

If by "made the Internet a safer and more efficient system" you mean "a non-stop barrage of Pinterest results", sure.

That is not what I meant, please see my other comments.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

#60

It's funny that Google is so large, that one way to grow their business is to improve the user experience of the internet as a whole.

If this were true chrome would ship with ad block and they would accept cold hard cash for their services.

Google Chrome already ships with an ad blocker (it is in the "site settings"). It is, however, very weak.

I think Google would love to block ads more aggressively, but the conflict of interest is so obvious it is going to be raining lawsuits the instant they do that.

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