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Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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I am involved with a business that is attempting to do a lot of the same things that Internet Archive is doing. I think they do a lot of really good things, and I'm happy that they exist, but I believe they are on the wrong side in this matter.

I don't know what they were thinking. I'd love to hear how they arrived at the decision to just brazenly flout copyright law like this. I fear that they have put a lot of their other efforts in danger.

I hope that my "archive and access" efforts will not be effected.

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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I am involved with a business that is attempting to do a lot of the same things that Internet Archive is doing. I think they do a lot of really good things, and I'm happy that they exist, but I believe they are on the wrong side in this matter. I don't know what they were thinking. I'd love to hear how they arrived at the decision to just brazenly flout copyright law like this. I fear that they have put a lot of thei…

Tell us about your business! Do you have a profitability model yet?

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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Why can't the publishing industry just hurry up and die? They provide fewer and fewer valuable services as the marginal cost of content distribution approaches zero and they just seem more like rent seekers.

IMO, so long as they offer pre-payment for books, they will remain in existence. Prolific and profitable authors benefit from being paid ahead of time for their work, which can often take months or years.

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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Why can't the publishing industry just hurry up and die? They provide fewer and fewer valuable services as the marginal cost of content distribution approaches zero and they just seem more like rent seekers.

Luckily, this press release documents which publishers you shouldn't buy books from going forward. > Hachette Book Group, HarperCollins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons and Penguin Random House

Here is a full list of members. If you have influence over them (springer, yale, acs, harvard press, university of california, Illinois, MOMA, etc), it would be reasonable to pressure them to withdraw their membership from the Association of American Publishers

The list is here, but it takes multiple seconds to render each of the many pages: https://publishers.org/who-we-are/our-members/

1517 Media

Academic Innovations

Albert Whitman & Company

American Anthropological Association (AAA)

American Association for Cancer Research (AACR)

American Chemical Society (ACS) American Dental Association Publishing (ADA)

American Diabetes Association

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)

American Medical Association (AMA)

American Physical Society (APS)

American Physiological Society, The (APS)

American Psychological Association (APA)

American Reading Company

American School for Classical Studies at Athens (ASCSA)

American Society for Indexing (ASI)

American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO)

American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP)

American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME)

American Thoracic Society (ATS)

American University in Cairo Press

Applied Educational Systems

Aquila Polonica (U.S.) LTD

Bar Charts, Inc.

Baylor University Press

Benchmark Education Co.

Berghahn Books

Bernson LTD (Big Hat Press)

BioZone USA

Blooming Twig Books

Bloomsbury USA

BMJ Publishing Group Limited

Bonnier Publishing USA

British American Publishing

Brookings Institution Press

Burn House Publishing

Cambridge Information Group (CIG)

Cambridge University Press

Catapult

Caslon, Inc.

Cato Institute

Cengage Learning

Center for Applied Special Technology (CAST)

Chronicle Books

Cider Mill Press Book Publishers

Columbia University Press

City Lights Booksellers & Publishers

Common Ground Research Network Crossway

Davies Publishing Inc.

Davis Publications Inc.

Disney Publishing Worldwide

Experiment, The

F.A. Davis Company

Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB)

Fordham University Press

General Conference of 7th-Day Adventists

Georgetown University Press

Georgia McBride Media Group

Getty Publications

GoodKnight Books

Greystone Books Ltd

Group Publishing

Grove/Atlantic, Inc.

Hachette Book Group

Hansen Publishing

HarperCollins Publishers Worldwide

Harrington Park Press

Harvard Business Review Group

Harvard University Press

Hogrefe Publishing

Holiday House Inc.

Houghton Mifflin Harcourt

Human Factors and Ergonomics Society (HFES)

Humanix Books

Independent Institute, The

INFORMS

International Monetary Fund (IMF)

InterVarsity Press

John Hunt Publishing

John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

Johns Hopkins University Press

The Journal of American Academy of Business (JAABC)

Judson Press

Kappa Delta Pi

Kodansha USA

Libros Publishing

Lincoln Institute of Land Policy

Lynne Rienner Publishers, Inc

Macmillan

Massachusetts Medical Society

Materials Research Forum

McGraw Hill Education

MedMaster Inc

Melville House

Michigan State University Press

Moody Publishers

Morgan & Claypool Publishers

Morton Publishing Company

Museum of Modern Art , The (MOMA)

National Academies Press

Naval Institute Press

New World Library

NY Media Works, LLC

NYU Press

Oak Knoll Press

Okapi Educational Publishing, Inc.

Oncology Nursing Society

Optical Society of America (OSA)

Oxford University Press

Penguin Random House

Pennsylvania State University Press

Princeton University Press

Pushkin Press

Quirk Books

RELX Group

Riverdale Avenue Books

Rosen Publishing Group

SAGE Publications

Scholastic Testing Service, Inc

Scholastic, Inc.

Simon & Schuster

Social Studies School Service

Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics (SIAM)

Springer Publishing Company

Stanford University Press

Story Plant, The

Tanglewood Publishing, Inc.

Taylor and Francis Group

Teachers College Press

Teacher Created Materials

Thames & Hudson

World Bank, The

Trialtea USA, LLC

Turner Publishing Company

University of Alaska Press

University of California Press

University of Chicago Press

University of Illinois Press

University of Massachusetts Press

University of Minnesota Press

University of North Carolina Press

University of Pennsylvania Press

University of Texas Press

University of Wisconsin Press

University Press of Colorado

W. W. Norton & Company

Walter de Gruyter, Inc.

Wesleyan University Press

White House Historical Association

Wisconsin Historical Society Press

Wolters Kluwer Health- Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins

Workman Publishing Company

Yale University Press

YBK Publishers

Pearson

American Federation of Arts

American College of Cardiology

Imbrifex Books

Waterhouse Press

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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Why can't the publishing industry just hurry up and die? They provide fewer and fewer valuable services as the marginal cost of content distribution approaches zero and they just seem more like rent seekers.

IMO, so long as they offer pre-payment for books, they will remain in existence. Prolific and profitable authors benefit from being paid ahead of time for their work, which can often take months or years.

I feel like that role is just waiting to be taken over by a kickstarter like model though.

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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It seems like Internet Archive's sites are just the digital versions of a normal library. Is there something I'm missing here? Are these publishers going to go after all libraries? Or is this more about the content being digital?

Normal libraries have to pay quite a bit of money to participate in the digital world - purchasing the right to lend out an ebook, and only being able to distribute the book some 30-50 times before having to re-purchase the rights.

The IA is not paying these fees, and so there's some copyright questions around the distribution rights of scans of legitimate purchases to be answered.

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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> Despite the self-serving library branding of its operations, IA’s conduct bears little resemblance to the trusted role that thousands of American libraries play within their communities and as participants in the lawful copyright marketplace. IA scans books from cover to cover, posts complete digital files to its website, and solicits users to access them for free by signing up for Internet Archive Accounts. I wond…

If libraries weren't an ancient concept that preceeded copyright law they'd be illegal today.

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post #5

It seems like Internet Archive's sites are just the digital versions of a normal library. Is there something I'm missing here? Are these publishers going to go after all libraries? Or is this more about the content being digital?

In a normal library, they have to obtain one copy for each copy checked out.

They do that (or used to at least). Each book has a single scanned copy that only a singe person can have "checked out" at any given time. There's a waiting line you sign up for.

Re: Publishers File Suit Against Internet Archive

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A gentle reminder that these are the same publishers who also advocate that harvested tree pulp industry does not impact the environment. As evil as they come. ;-)

They... don't impact the environment. The trees they use were planted for the sole purpose of being harvested. And new trees are planted for every tree that's harvested.

~~If anything, they're a net positive for the environment, since they're sequestering carbon into books.~~

EDIT: I'll acquiesce that they may not be a net positive, since there are carbon costs associated with the entire process. But, using purpose-grown trees is hard to consider as a net negative.

And, if we're talking about the entire process, e-books are not carbon-zero products either.

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