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Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Remember when "I disagree with what you say, but will defend your right to say it" was a thing? I certainly do. How far we've fallen as a culture since then.

there is a difference between saying "I think this war (insert a war: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) is wrong and unjust" and your quote is absolutely true. Some people believe in the wars, some dont but ultimately its up to us to understand a statement like above can be said openly and honestly and without fear of retribution. However, and where Facebook crosses a line, is that when you allow someone to post unaba…

In theory, that all makes sense. Except in reality, it doesn’t play out that way. There is no neutral arbiter on what is a fact or what precise meaning a 140-character tweet is supposed to have. Philosophers have written about this for centuries. In the current political climate I really don’t trust any side to be mature enough to present all perspectives on a situation.

As I said, our culture has become so insecure that people are begging for censorship of ideas they don’t like. It’s a dangerous road to go down.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Calls to violence? Yes they should. Freedom isn't limitless, it demands responsibility. The same way you can't yell fire in a movie theater. Inciting people to violence and threatening that same free speech of others, particularly from someone with the biggest soap box in the world, is unacceptable in our country. I thought we decided that years ago

> The same way you can't yell fire in a movie theater. This is a myth. The standard that we use for the 1st Amendment in regards to speech is imminent lawless action. Look it up. Trump's tweet doesn't come anywhere near that standard.

It’s not a myth that it was a case, the issue that most people don’t known is it was overturned later.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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I just threw an off the wall mention that I was out protesting and getting tear gas shot at me this weekend and you're commenting that my anger toward FB is misplaced? Huh, wonder why I'm worked up.

Yeah me too because unless mark Zuckerberg shot tear gas at you I still don't get it. You just sound really mad at FB and silicon valley for no good reason

> You just sound really mad at FB and silicon valley for no good reason

As a reader of Hacker News, it'd be quite hard to imagine you don't have at least have an understanding of some reasons to dislike Facebook or Silicon Valley. Not agreement, but at least an understanding. Every week it seems there is something posted for both topics...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Honestly, you're the person I wouldn't hire. Judging large swaths of people with no nuance for their individual situations. Now what does that remind me of... The selective outrage against Facebook for police brutality is something to behold. Facebook didn't exist during the lynchings of the 20th century or any number of race riots. You telling me things are somehow worse now that social media exists. Check your peop…

I want to point out there's a big difference between judging people without nuance and what the parent post says. To me it seems you read a lot in between the lines on the post above which I didn't get nearly the same reading on. I took it simply as "I see Facebook on a resume, it's not a full positive for me like many may see it in the tech world" and would be a possible ethical red flag. I feel the same at a person…

I really didn't mean "I see FB I toss resume" or anything. In fact I have a huge desire to see people leave FB as well. I've worked for places I disagreed with completely but had to make a paycheck and that is soul crushing.

But they're fine right now. And my twitter is full of people who have been laid off recently and NEED gainful employment. If unemployment were where it was 3 months ago I wouldn't have said a word, especially not this firebrand.

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Yeah me too because unless mark Zuckerberg shot tear gas at you I still don't get it. You just sound really mad at FB and silicon valley for no good reason

> You just sound really mad at FB and silicon valley for no good reason As a reader of Hacker News, it'd be quite hard to imagine you don't have at least have an understanding of some reasons to dislike Facebook or Silicon Valley. Not agreement, but at least an understanding. Every week it seems there is something posted for both topics...

Of course I see comments and articles about it all the time, I do not understand it and think they are totally wrong. Like I said no good reason that I have seen

The funny thing is Twitter gets roasted for taking the opposite stance... There's no winning

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

The thing the censorship fans can't seem to understand is the power they are granting. Today the power is for their progressive friends, tomorrow it could be for regressive tyrants. Likely those are the very same people. Just look to history. How many leftist uprising have worked out well?

I wish I could disagree.

As I have remarked previously, freedom of speech is important for precisely the same reason that it is dangerous — it can change things.

Like most non-Americans, I’m not even close to the USA legal position on free speech. I absolutely do not accept the right to make one group hate another by words alone. What I don’t know is how to achieve that simultaneously with preventing the kind of censorship that leads to nations walking blindfolded into dictatorships.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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If my memory of BASIC from the 80s is still accurate, Line 5 will never get executed, because of the GOTO 1 in line 4, so not even optional.

Yeah, the OP should have numbered them 10, 20, 30, and 40, so the GP could insert a needed line in between...

I edited my post. Go wild!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

Calls to violence? Yes they should. Freedom isn't limitless, it demands responsibility. The same way you can't yell fire in a movie theater. Inciting people to violence and threatening that same free speech of others, particularly from someone with the biggest soap box in the world, is unacceptable in our country. I thought we decided that years ago

I don't see how Trump's tweet was a call for violence. it wasn't a call to kill people, it could be interpreted as a way to warn citizens.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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At least in EU, discriminating based on political beliefs goes against art. 21 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. Pardon my ignorance but, is that allowed in the US?

No, broadly speaking there are no national laws in the US agaisnt firing someone for their political views. It is complicated but basically in the US, at the national level there are a few protected classes (age, gender religion, race, disablity) and you can’t make the decison to fire someone based on these reasons. You can fire people for any other reason or no reason, so in practice this protection is limited and g…

That’s true, nationally no. But it is against the law in California where the companies of the topic are mostly located.
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