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Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Thanks to FB and the like, tech employees all over the world have much better conditions. They cannot solve the world's problems and it's also not their job. The only people who are out of touch are those who think that FAANG companies are the cause of all society issues. I've never worked at FB but would rather work for them than for most tech companies. For most tech companies if I'd dare to write something against…

Ah yes, the twin rebuttals of, "it's worse somewhere else, so workers shouldn't complain" and "it's not their problem to care about systemic issues". No matter how bad it is elsewhere, Facebook employees have the right to try and improve their workplace.

I didn't say they shouldn't try and improve their workplace. My point is actually the opposite. They can try because they work at FB. In most other companies they wouldn't be able to even try.

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Who knew the day would come when I’d agree with and defend Zuckerberg. It’s not Facebook’s job to tell me what I can or can’t think. I can evaluate the claims of Trump or any other politician myself, thank you very much.

What an obtuse viewpoint. It's not just about you. Misinformation actively harms society as a whole. Anti-vax, fake remedies, Holocaust-denials, etc. The people taken in by such lies propagate damage beyond their immediate circles.

Yes, free speech has some negative consequences. That’s what it means to be in a free society. If your only solution to so-called misinformation (as defined by who?) is censorship and controlling of information, you’ve already lost.

In case you forgot, this website is called Hacker News. Once upon a time, hacker culture was anti-authoritarian.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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It would be the ultimate barometer of the zeitgeist if Zuck, the most scandal-resistant and resilient CEO in SV, was dethroned for "outrageous" political views that offended his "liberal" employees. But seriously, if this did happen, what would he do next?

Run for president, probably.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

so are the utilities- Yet we still found a way to regulate them (in our capitalist dystopia)

They did that to themselves by creating monopolies, and leveraging their power over basic services to make money and fleece customers. Regulation exists for a reason

Google using their massive resource tried to make a better platform than Facebook. They failed spectacularly.

Are you suggesting Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp doesn’t have a monopoly on what each is?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or have congress roll back Section 230. If online publishers were held to the same libel standards as print publishers this problem would be instantly fixed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communica...

230 covers a lot of situations. For example, it has been cited by a judge who ruled in favor a library, which was the defendant[0]. This protected the library's choice to let patrons use the internet on library computers. It's summarized in the Wikipedia article you shared. If 230 disappears, I don't see how any websites would allow user comments. I really don't see how we'd have any websites where user content is th…

> I really don't see how we'd have any websites where user content is the service's value (Pinterest, recipe sharing sites, LinkedIn, Reddit).

There are a number of ways to go about moderation. The change would be minimal, or none, for sites that already apply a good faith strict moderation effort and horrid for sites that supply the minimal moderation required by criminal law.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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I know plenty of hair stylists begging to get back to work, and I've never seen anyone advocate that hair stylists should be forced to go back to work so that people can get their hair cut.

Your argument is totally disingenuous.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Who knew the day would come when I’d agree with and defend Zuckerberg. It’s not Facebook’s job to tell me what I can or can’t think. I can evaluate the claims of Trump or any other politician myself, thank you very much.

What an obtuse viewpoint. It's not just about you. Misinformation actively harms society as a whole. Anti-vax, fake remedies, Holocaust-denials, etc. The people taken in by such lies propagate damage beyond their immediate circles.

It's really not that obtuse, he wants the information and to decide for himself... Your way leaves a huge hole for someone to pull wool over your eyes

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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I think we all know he is not "facing" anything. People that collect big and stable salaries will not change company employment over this. Virtue signalling is cheap, endangering your family's livelihood is hard. "It's very difficult to make somebody understand something, especially if their salary depends on them not understanding it." Facebook is, in general, an unethical company. And this has been known for a long…

> If you didn't leave yet you won't leave over this either. You have no idea why people have stayed and/or how their minds have changed over time. Everyone has their breaking point and this could very possibly be it for some people. Also, your quote should be attributed to Upton Sinclair.

they stayed through:

- pro Kavanaugh

- genocide in Myanmar

- destruction of privacy

- facebook accepting it creates extremists

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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I think we all know he is not "facing" anything. People that collect big and stable salaries will not change company employment over this. Virtue signalling is cheap, endangering your family's livelihood is hard. "It's very difficult to make somebody understand something, especially if their salary depends on them not understanding it." Facebook is, in general, an unethical company. And this has been known for a long…

> If you didn't leave yet you won't leave over this either. You have no idea why people have stayed and/or how their minds have changed over time. Everyone has their breaking point and this could very possibly be it for some people. Also, your quote should be attributed to Upton Sinclair.

> Also, your quote should be attributed to Upton Sinclair.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

#240

Remember when "I disagree with what you say, but will defend your right to say it" was a thing? I certainly do. How far we've fallen as a culture since then.

there is a difference between saying "I think this war (insert a war: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) is wrong and unjust" and your quote is absolutely true. Some people believe in the wars, some dont but ultimately its up to us to understand a statement like above can be said openly and honestly and without fear of retribution.

However, and where Facebook crosses a line, is that when you allow someone to post unabashedly false things to drive emotions. Saying "Trump is a weak leader" isn't wrong or false, just an opinion. Saying that Nancy Pelosi murdered a baby deer with her bare hands on the floor of the House and pushing it as absolutely true is where we currently are.

You don't have a right to push verifiably false information with no recourse. You have a right to say your opinion. Just like you can't yell fire in a movie theater, or bomb on an airplane.

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