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Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by Fjolsvith »

petee wrote: post #64
blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

Calls to violence? Yes they should. Freedom isn't limitless, it demands responsibility. The same way you can't yell fire in a movie theater. Inciting people to violence and threatening that same free speech of others, particularly from someone with the biggest soap box in the world, is unacceptable in our country. I thought we decided that years ago

What wasn't decided years ago was that a private corporation was prosecutor, judge and jury in being responsible for calling out and punishing these "criminal" (not really) bits of speech.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by leroy_masochist »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #78
leroy_masochist wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would hit harder if you mentioned where you work -- i.e., on whose behalf you're deciding not to hire devs with FB on their resumes.

Would it actually be helpful? Or are you just baiting to get OP fired?

I have no idea whether OP would be fired if they mention where they work. While through context I'd infer that they're interviewing people on behalf of an established tech company, it's also possible that they're running a small consulting business or something, such that publicly commenting on controversial topics wouldn't affect their relationship with their employer.

Either way, saying that FB is bad and their devs are immoral and you would prefer not to hire them because they demonstrate their lack of backbone by not standing up to Zuck is a pretty ironic thing to be posting anonymously.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by leesec »

nikivi wrote: post #135
leesec wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol at Fbook's "attacks on democracy". You're the one that needs to prove your insane conspiracy theories bud. All Zuck said is that he doesn't think they should be the arbiter of truth, which is SMART, because otherwise they have to start censoring content for hundreds of millions of people, which they are bound to get wrong. Watch some of Alex Stamos talks if you think this such an easy problem to solve. Remind me…

The truth is that they do censor content so words have no meaning.

They censor content that would lead to immediate harm. How would you prove a Trump post can lead to immediate harm?

Is CNN immoral for reporting what he says? Is my Dad immoral for telling me what he says, becuz it might lead to harm?

Don't shoot the messenger.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by adjkant »

Angostura wrote: post #110
mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

We really need to make a list of all the people who are bastards, just to keep it straight. So far we have all Cops, Facebook employees, Google employees (or is it just some). Would be a handy reference.

Just like this[1] dead post, you're bringing the lack of nuance, not the parent.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23378204

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by macspoofing »

PaulHoule wrote: post #112

Zuck has consistently backed right-wing politicians ever since he's had the chance. He had his Girl Friday solicit an antisemitic report on George Soros from a right-wing propaganda group -- that's something so stupid that everybody involved should have been fired right away and sent to Siberia. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4 Although Zuck won't do anything about Trump posts that encourage violence,…

>Zuck has consistently backed right-wing politicians ever since he's had the chance.

So what? Maybe he is a conservative? Maybe he isn't. Is that wrong? Every worker, from the bottom to the top, of every company, has a private political position. The question is why would you want the company, especially a platform like Facebook, to have a political position.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by sbilstein »

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

I went to university in Texas and so many people went to work in the Oil industry and even with an awareness of climate change issues, whenever I questioned them the answer was "Oil is a critical part of our energy infrastructure and someone will need to figure out how to get it out of the ground."

It was fair reasoning but I always thought "you are a bright engineer, you don't have to be the person figuring this out, you could be taking your skills elsewhere and hopefully the oil industry will have to settle for worse talent."

Yes, Facebook is valuable in many ways to people but do you, personally, need to be the person aiding the mining of information? If you are upset about the deleterious effects of Social why don't you work for Netflix? Or any of the other similarly compensated companies. You don't have to work for a 'social good' company but there are absolutely well paying companies out there with a neutral effect on society. Working at let's say Stitchfix or Salesforce or Microsoft doesn't make you a martyr but shit, at least it's not Facebook!

I don't think my friends are evil for working in oil but I think there are alternatives to do less evil in the world. That same MechE working on oil could find just as challenging work elsewhere. If you are a talented ChemE how about working on batteries or pharmaceuticals (even tho that industry is shitty for other reasons, the output at least helps people stay alive.)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by paulgb »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #121
paulgb wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? I can't speak for everyone, but I just want the company not to carve out exceptions for their rules against violent speech depending on who said it. If you believe that Facebook doesn't have the right to remove any violent speech regardless of who says it, obviously that's another story. I think online…

The problem I see is that "violent" speech is a subjective perception. I could claim that your post was "violent", and that I was harmed by it. Sticks and stones.

Yes, there is subjectivity. In this particular case, Trump and Zuckerberg talked on the phone and Zuckerberg expressed concerns about the content but ultimately decided to keep it up.

If you really want fair and impartial content policies that apply equally to everyone, shouldn't it be concerning that we can't all call Zuckerberg on the phone?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/media/trump-zuckerberg-phone-...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by hart_russell »

elteto wrote: post #109
mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

Passing judgment on thousands of employees like this is really no better either, you are just imposing your own morals on them.

It’s really quite something to watch how quickly the self righteous vilify and stereotype entire swaths of people. Exactly the type of behavior they apparently abhor.
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