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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by Fjolsvith » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:46 PM UTC

paulgb wrote: post #67

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

> People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? I can't speak for everyone, but I just want the company not to carve out exceptions for their rules against violent speech depending on who said it. If you believe that Facebook doesn't have the right to remove any violent speech regardless of who says it, obviously that's another story. I think online…

The problem I see is that "violent" speech is a subjective perception. I could claim that your post was "violent", and that I was harmed by it.

Sticks and stones.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by pavs » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:46 PM UTC

crsmithdev wrote: post #42

hobs wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their tooling knowledge is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic compared to their willingness to sell out their own people for a buck.

Support for your claim?

That sounded like an openion not a claim.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by raverbashing » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

dordoka wrote: post #40

neilsimp1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but filter out anyone whose social media indicates them as being left-ish. Hiring based on political beliefs, or in this case, presumed political beliefs, sounds like a dangerous road to go down. And I am saying this as a young, STEM-educated person who skews left.

At least in EU, discriminating based on political beliefs goes against art. 21 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. Pardon my ignorance but, is that allowed in the US?

In the US it seems it is slightly more complicated https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-discri...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by ravenstine » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

jcadam wrote: post #31

spamizbad wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of location, Facebook is hiring from demographics that typically don't support Trump. Young, STEM-educated people skew left. If you want Trump supporters to even things out you're probably going to either: A) hire older devs from less traditional software dev backgrounds. B) Still pull from Young+STEM but filter out anyone whose social media indicates them as being left-ish.

Who wants to work for a company where they're living in constant fear of being outed as a non-leftist and losing their job? I get the frequent recruiting emails from FB and (much less frequently) Google, but am really too afraid to pursue them.

That's one of the key reasons I never apply to companies like Facebook and Google. I'm sure there's a lot of greatness to be had at those companies, but having already experienced working at a left-wing media company, I imagine the fear of being made a pariah by coworkers could only be greater at Facebook.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by _bxg1 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

Nobody deleted Trump's posts. Twitter a) attached a "this may be misleading" link to one of them with the link leading to more reputable information on the subject, and b) hid the inflammatory one behind a warning about inciting violence, with a clear and present "View" button available. To my mind this is exactly the right approach: the original content remains fully available for those who would cry censorship, yet its destructive impact is hopefully dampened.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by zzzeek » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

> People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not?

I think you have it backwards. He has explicitly decided to not delete a post, rather than leaving this decision to a more majoritarian and just mechanism.

"Facebook employees critical of CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s decision not to remove an inflammatory comment from U.S. President Donald Trump took their dissent public over the weekend on Twitter,"

see? he decided. That should not be his job.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by ceilingcorner » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #110

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

We really need to make a list of all the people who are bastards, just to keep it straight. So far we have all Cops, Facebook employees, Google employees (or is it just some). Would be a handy reference.

Really hope this is sarcasm.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by troughway » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #110

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

We really need to make a list of all the people who are bastards, just to keep it straight. So far we have all Cops, Facebook employees, Google employees (or is it just some). Would be a handy reference.

Luckily for us, they're already keeping those lists.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

elteto wrote: post #109

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

Passing judgment on thousands of employees like this is really no better either, you are just imposing your own morals on them.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by Fjolsvith » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:48 PM UTC

austincheney wrote: post #45

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

Or have congress roll back Section 230. If online publishers were held to the same libel standards as print publishers this problem would be instantly fixed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communica...

It might not be instantly fixed, but everyone would know where things belonged.