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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by mosselman » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:39 PM UTC

phone8675309 wrote: post #37

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

>Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? Except Facebook is a private platform. That people use it does not make it a public platform. That would be like arguing that Six Flags over Georgia can't remove you from their park because you started protesting in it. Yes, there are people there, but no, just because they're there and it's a popular place doesn't mean they can'…

I don't think your analogy really fits the place Facebook takes in the world, sadly I must add.

In some places Facebook is an official channel of communication between people and governments and other public institutions like Universities. Their use of Facebook, or other social media platforms, in this way makes it more like a utility than a private platform.

If you really must, you could make the analogy of a billboard. Lets say Hustler puts up a billboard in the city with some of their famous content, I bet it will have to be taken down pretty quickly, regardless of the content policy the billboard company has.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

VMisTheWay wrote: post #82

throwaway4715 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, you're the person I wouldn't hire. Judging large swaths of people with no nuance for their individual situations. Now what does that remind me of... The selective outrage against Facebook for police brutality is something to behold. Facebook didn't exist during the lynchings of the 20th century or any number of race riots. You telling me things are somehow worse now that social media exists. Check your peop…

You act like stereotypes are completely inaccurate. Do Apple users generally care about open source? Do they care about quality hardware? Are Apple users Nerds? Sure you can find an exception, but when you compare to the majority of users, you can find similarities.

It's generally frowned upon to stereotype when hiring.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by adjkant » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

throwaway4715 wrote: post #56

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

Honestly, you're the person I wouldn't hire. Judging large swaths of people with no nuance for their individual situations. Now what does that remind me of... The selective outrage against Facebook for police brutality is something to behold. Facebook didn't exist during the lynchings of the 20th century or any number of race riots. You telling me things are somehow worse now that social media exists. Check your peop…

I want to point out there's a big difference between judging people without nuance and what the parent post says. To me it seems you read a lot in between the lines on the post above which I didn't get nearly the same reading on. I took it simply as "I see Facebook on a resume, it's not a full positive for me like many may see it in the tech world" and would be a possible ethical red flag.

I feel the same at a personal level and Facebook is far from the only company on my mental list there, but with any of these it is not a categorical judgement or an immediate eliminator of someone in any situation.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by drunkpotato » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

crsmithdev wrote: post #42

hobs wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their tooling knowledge is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic compared to their willingness to sell out their own people for a buck.

Support for your claim?

That is a very obnoxious way of saying you disagree. Please don’t do that in a discussion forum like this.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by TeaDrunk » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

leroy_masochist wrote: post #43

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

This would hit harder if you mentioned where you work -- i.e., on whose behalf you're deciding not to hire devs with FB on their resumes.

I don’t know if it would be that effective- it’s clear this persons post is currently in the positive. It’s highly likely there are other people in positions where they can hire others who have contributed to keeping the position in the positive score range (or at least not so negative that you have to highlight it to see it). By making it more broad we can assume that a silent chunk of people upvoting it agree for their own companies and positions of power too, and those we can’t pull aside to ask who they work for.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by reroute1 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

mjayhn wrote: post #81

reroute1 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm concerned for someone who has so much wrongly placed anger... dude you're all worked up about Facebook for no reason, get real they aren't the enemy

I just threw an off the wall mention that I was out protesting and getting tear gas shot at me this weekend and you're commenting that my anger toward FB is misplaced? Huh, wonder why I'm worked up.

Yeah me too because unless mark Zuckerberg shot tear gas at you I still don't get it. You just sound really mad at FB and silicon valley for no good reason

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by dirtydroog » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

jcadam wrote: post #31

spamizbad wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of location, Facebook is hiring from demographics that typically don't support Trump. Young, STEM-educated people skew left. If you want Trump supporters to even things out you're probably going to either: A) hire older devs from less traditional software dev backgrounds. B) Still pull from Young+STEM but filter out anyone whose social media indicates them as being left-ish.

Who wants to work for a company where they're living in constant fear of being outed as a non-leftist and losing their job? I get the frequent recruiting emails from FB and (much less frequently) Google, but am really too afraid to pursue them.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. I can't imagine working for either company, especially in SV. I would be walking on eggshells lest someone hear, or overhear, something 'toxic' and my career gets ruined. It'd be safer to just not talk to anybody, or limit conversations to work topics only. That's an awful work environment. My demographic would make me a target, not a colleague.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by malloreon » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

throwaway4715 wrote: post #56

mjayhn wrote: post #7

People on twitter at other $bigtech seem more than happy to bring you all on board but you've been sucking that $270k+ top-end-even-for-FAANG salary with no concern for the ethics or morality of your business for years. This isn't new. I'm less than excited to see Facebook show up on a resume and haven't been for years. Not to mention the people I've interviewed from there seem to get so accustomed to working on Face…

Honestly, you're the person I wouldn't hire. Judging large swaths of people with no nuance for their individual situations. Now what does that remind me of... The selective outrage against Facebook for police brutality is something to behold. Facebook didn't exist during the lynchings of the 20th century or any number of race riots. You telling me things are somehow worse now that social media exists. Check your peop…

Their individual action is that they work for facebook.

And continue doing so each day.

do fb employees think they get paid enough not to deal with the moral and ethical issues their work creates?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #59

mellosouls wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's pretty clear the point of the comment was the lack of ethics in pursuit of money. Not everybody wants to work at places like that, or with people like that. What's the point in them bringing technical expertise to your environment if they poison the culture with their amorality and venality? Money isn't everything, some of us know that, some of us don't care. Assuming the premise, natch. :)

The post was much shorter when I responded and the technical bit was a more significant part of it. I totally get the other points, but they stand on their own.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg faces employee blowback over ruling on Trump comments

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Post by buzzkillington » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

phone8675309 wrote: post #37

blueterminal wrote: post #24

People really want Zuckerberg to decide whether posts of the president should be deleted or not? Is this for real? We really need mainstream decentralized applications more than ever. Thoughts of people should not be censored. Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? This is just ridiculous. I don't like Facebook but great decision by Mark. Same as they decided to not re…

>Who the hell should be the truth police? You? People that have the same beliefs as you? Except Facebook is a private platform. That people use it does not make it a public platform. That would be like arguing that Six Flags over Georgia can't remove you from their park because you started protesting in it. Yes, there are people there, but no, just because they're there and it's a popular place doesn't mean they can'…

The difference is that Six Flags doesn't use visitor built roller coasters, unlike facebook and twitter who depend on user content to survive.

Or in other words, don't use lazy metaphors for lazy thinking. Facebook and Twitter are nothing like Six Flags.