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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #304
leereeves wrote: post #297

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> How many MAGAs would even blink if police started killing Black people? Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Fox News hosts, and even Rush Limbaugh have all spoken out against the murder of George Floyd. > “I hope these cops are dealt with good and hard,” Limbaugh said. “I’ve seen the video like everybody else, and it makes me so mad I can’t see straight.” https://www.dailywire.com/news/limbaugh-george-floyd-death-m... > "it wa…

Where was all of these statements when Kaepernick was trying to bring issues about police misconduct to the forefront peacefully? He was calling the him a “son of a bitch”. You noticed he never called White guys storming into state capital with guns “thugs”. Even after they basically forced the government to shut down out of fear.

Out of irrational fear. Those armed white guys didn't beat anyone up, throw rocks at police, loot anything, or burn anything. If Democrats have an irrational fear of "rednecks", they need to work on that.

Whereas these "thugs" today doing all of the above aren't protestors, in fact I've heard many protestors speak out against them too, and they seem to include quite a lot of young white leftists just looking to cause trouble.

The remark you're referring to was specifically about looters, so I think it's a bit dishonest to compare that to a group of peaceful protestors.

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Post by komali2 »

pnako wrote: post #306
komali2 wrote: post #238

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> It's a big political manipulation. Lemme guess, Soros?

I don't know, do you have any information on this? I'm particularly interested in who funded and organized the media operations in countries like Germany or the UK. We do know that Soros does that, but he's not the only one, so we can't possibly blame him for every single occurrence.

I don't really care. I sat down with protesters myself in Oakland, and while we were sitting, cops fired into the crowd.

I don't think you can blame Soros or Murdoch for that. That crime is in someone in the cop's chain of command - as well as each officer that decided not to call in sick yesterday.

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Post by downerending »

wonderwonder wrote: post #283
downerending wrote: post #253

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For starters, the rioters are already breaking the law at the point of police contact, and they know that they are. Secondly, the officers are typically in a dangerous situation, and have more pressing concerns. If you find yourself in a riot, leave. Common sense and common decency, no?

So because the rioters are breaking the law it gives the police carte blanche to do the same? Amazing how cops in other western countries are able to enforce the law without killing thousands of citizens every year but ours cant. Sorry the cops have more pressing concerns than obeying the law? Then they should not be police officers. A whole lot of cops seem to have a whole lot of other pressing concerns standing aro…

No, it does not. A policeman acting like one of these rioters--kicking an unconscious person in the head--should be charged with attempted murder. And in my opinion, never breathe free air again.

> if you spent your whole life getting treated as a second class citizen and peaceful protest did not work, and voting did not work, and nothing changed, could you not see yourself getting a little tired of living a lesser life?

That describes me pretty well. Nonetheless, I obey the law. And I certainly don't beat people, especially when they're unconscious.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by downerending »

scarface74 wrote: post #275
austincheney wrote: post #185

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While I suspect the percentage of overall police actions that are brutal, unethical, or harmful are tiny it is still a subject that demands a far greater degree of transparency. The subject identifies several challenges: * police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed * all accused are innocent…

police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?

Without knowing whether minorities also commit crimes at a disproportionate rate, this isn't very meaningful.

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Post by downerending »

hug wrote: post #294
downerending wrote: post #258

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As a programmer, I accept that I'll make mistakes from time to time. Excoriating me for doing so would not help. The bad apples should be removed. Riots and mayhem work against that goal.

That doesn't answer a single one of my questions, doesn't expand upon your original point, and doesn't bear on the situation in the slightest. Unless you're implying that your job as a programmer and the job of a police officer are similar in consequences when you "make a mistake". But as to the second part of your comment, the bad apples should be removed, but are not. So what do you do about it? Put videos of the i…

I don't commit crimes. And I certainly don't commit aggravated assault on helpless people. Do people even need to be told not to do that?

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Post by baddox »

seneca wrote: post #286
baddox wrote: post #247

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But why would you hypothetically remove bad actions from just the police? I genuinely don’t understand. By the exact same argument, if you removed all bad actions from everyone who isn’t a police officer, then of course you’d expect police to kill more people. In the original comment, before all the ridiculous hypothesizing, the actual world is what was being discussed.

> But why would you hypothetically remove bad actions from just the police? Because the person I'm responding to is claiming that police kill more civilians than civilians kill police, with the implication that it's because police are corrupt. I used a hypothetical scenario to point out that this doesn't follow, because the same would be true even if there were no police corruption. > By the exact same argument, if y…

I guess it’s not clear what you mean by “police corruption.” If “removing police corruption” just means “removing the possibility of any bad action by any police officer,” then you get right back to my previous comment.

To me, “removing police corruption” would mean having a mechanism of legal accountability for police officers. It wouldn’t mean police officers wouldn’t still abuse and murder people, it would just mean that they would usually be investigated and punished for doing it.

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Post by [deleted] »

Lariscus wrote: post #264
alexashka wrote: post #237

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No. I'm saying that anyone who gasps at how "unethical" other human beings are, wants eugenics, unless they're a real idiot who can't connect the dots to see that the only way to "fix" unethical behaviour is eugenics. I should say, most people who use the word "unethical" are of the real idiot variety. Arriving at eugenics as a potential solution to most of people's problems should automatically grant you a million d…

I see did not get that from you original comment but please enlighten me on how demanding ethical behaviour from software engineers leads to a eugenics program.

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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 »

downerending wrote: post #314
scarface74 wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?

Without knowing whether minorities also commit crimes at a disproportionate rate, this isn't very meaningful.

The entire idea of “stop and frisk” is that the police have no idea whether they a are committing crimes or not beforehand. But if you stop more minorities than Whites in proportion to the population. even if the same number of crimes are being committed. Blacks will still be convicted more.

More evidence that Whites are less likely to get tickets for the same offense.

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-racial-profiling...

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #311
scarface74 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where was all of these statements when Kaepernick was trying to bring issues about police misconduct to the forefront peacefully? He was calling the him a “son of a bitch”. You noticed he never called White guys storming into state capital with guns “thugs”. Even after they basically forced the government to shut down out of fear.

Out of irrational fear. Those armed white guys didn't beat anyone up, throw rocks at police, loot anything, or burn anything. If Democrats have an irrational fear of "rednecks", they need to work on that. Whereas these "thugs" today doing all of the above aren't protestors, in fact I've heard many protestors speak out against them too, and they seem to include quite a lot of young white leftists just looking to cause…

So you really think Black guys marching on the state capital and yelling at police would have gotten the same response?

If the government wasn’t afraid of the white protestors, why did they postponed re-opening? They specifically said that they didn’t reopen out of fear.

You noticed he never called the policemen “thugs” has he ever called a white criminal a thug or a “son of a bitch” like he called a football player peacefully protesting?

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