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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by greggyb »

pstuart wrote: post #220
greggyb wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I have only good things to say about their service and pricing. They are very privacy and free speech focused. They will cooperate with law enforcement agencies when served warrants/subpoenas, but otherwise will protect you and your privacy very doggedly.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by downerending »

rolae wrote: post #156
downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

To document single incidents of brutality has value. The documentation of one single act of police brutality has value. As the police has a monopoly on the legal use of violence they have to be held accountable. This is like saying building a registry/counting murders has no value and brings no insight. And this has nothing todo with condoning violence of protesters, which is just as wrong as police brutality. The is…

It confirms existence, but we already knew that.

The officer in question has been fired, arrested, and charged. That would seem to contradict the "never held accountable".

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by komali2 »

cm2187 wrote: post #197
komali2 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great evidence for sending along to your local police chiefs and mayors. I've been harassing the shit out of my local leaders - look at this evidence. Those cities and towns had almost no rioting, no looting, no violence. All because the cops didn't turn up with spartan armor and kick the shit out of peaceful protesters. It really is that easy.

I seriously doubt that the black blocs that have gathered have been triggered by the police outfits.

Why don't you go see for yourself, if you're so skeptical that hundreds of videos from yesterday don't convince you? Some celebrity in new york's twitter is literally a minute to minute play by play of protests in NY - even there, all was peaceful, then the cops show up.

People were gathering, peacefully, until the cops show up. The evidence is linked all around you. But like I said - go see for yourself, head to your city hall's protests today.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by bitcharmer »

austincheney wrote: post #200
FDSGSG wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's an extremely delicate judgment call made in split seconds that often means the difference between life and death How come cops in many other countries are so much better at making these judgement calls than in the US?

Are they? I prefer to ignore value comparisons not based on numbers.

Yes they are. Ask anyone living in the UK, for a good comparison.

Cops here are very well trained in de-escalation. Something American police probably never heard about.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by drdeadringer »

I've shared this before and do so here:

I recently found out about an app from the ACLU specifically for recording//reporting (abusive) police activities.

The app itself, at least the California version, has a section regarding one's rights and safety whilst filming police.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU_Mobile_Justice

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by downerending »

ookdatnog wrote: post #202
downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

You're misidentifying what the core problem is with police brutality: it's not just about relative frequency, it's about how the justice system responds to it. As a society we give police a monopoly on civilian violence, it is only reasonable to expect the holders of that power to be held to the highest possible standards. But the justice system signals the exact opposite, by systematially protecting even the worst c…

I agree that the situation should continue to be improved. I doubt that websites like this will help. Riots will definitely not help. The cause of righteousness has been set back a generation in a few days.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by baddox »

seneca wrote: post #218
baddox wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand. Surely in the ideal world nobody would kill anyone else. I’m not sure that’s very realistic, or even relevant to what we should expect from police in the real world.

In an ideal world we wouldn't need police at all and we wouldn't be having this conversation. In my example, I was pointing out that if we remove police corruption from the equation, police would still kill some number of civilians. Because of that fact, the parent's post doesn't make much sense.

But why would you hypothetically remove bad actions from just the police? I genuinely don’t understand. By the exact same argument, if you removed all bad actions from everyone who isn’t a police officer, then of course you’d expect police to kill more people.

In the original comment, before all the ridiculous hypothesizing, the actual world is what was being discussed.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by pstuart »

h3cate wrote: post #50
pstuart wrote: post #21

Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?

Depends on the dangerous people you're talking about I suppose

From random pizza-gate types, then up through the power hierarchy to the very top of a handful of world superpowers.

An effort perhaps quixotic at best, it's worth thinking about. We are at a tipping point in civilization and I don't want to complicit that going the wrong way.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by cgriswald »

h3cate wrote: post #43
numlock86 wrote: post #2

Cool. And who does the website with videos about brutality against police? This doesn't do anything but making the problem worse.

I'd be happy to send you the code if you want to setup that site. This is where my moral compass lies. If you have any advice on how I could make sure this site doesn't enflame the situation and is rather used as a reminder about the lows we have stopped to as a species I'd be happy to integrate them

Good luck. I say that sincerely, not sarcastically.

I think a core problem with the situation is that the masses on one side think of these events as one-offs. They're not convinced its a systemic problem because they don't see the "everyday" brutality. The masses on the other side don't see it as a systemic problem either, not exactly anyway; they see it as all cops being racist murderers at heart. Whether one side is closer to the truth than the other side is largely irrelevant, because neither view helps resolve the issue. Neither side can hear the other side because their own personal experience is completely at odds with the other side's point of view.

I can't access the site, so I have no idea what you've actually got set up; but I'd suggest excluding any kind of comments section would be the number one thing to keep from inflaming the situation. People can talk about it elsewhere by linking to your site if they must. The smaller those discussion groups are, the more likely they are to maintain reasonable discourse, change minds, and consider solutions.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by arkadiyt »

nullc wrote: post #142
arkadiyt wrote: post #67

Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already submitted, but here are some: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540... https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler…

> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

> I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department.

That is only one of the reports in that lengthy tweet thread. And it's not baseless, here is the evidence for it: https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176

Here's the tweet where the St. Paul police department denied it: https://twitter.com/sppdmn/status/1266202225677910022

Posted 2.5 hours after the original claim - fast investigation for the police to clear themselves of all wrongdoing.

> Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

Lol.

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