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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by wonderwonder » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

Just so I understand, how are the 2 related? You seem to suggest that the "protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head" are criminals. I agree, they likely are. By those terms then all of the police officers kicking downed protesters are criminals as well. Why are their fellow officers not arresting them on the spot?

There is a very large difference between random protesters committing violent acts and government sanctioned organizations with the legal right to shoot and kill implementing a wide spread program of violence and brutality. If you cannot see the difference, then you are not looking. If an officer observes another officer committing a crime and does not intervene then that officer is corrupt. At each of these police brutality incidents there are often a number of officers observing and not intervening.

When the system designed to enforce the law routinely breaks it without punishment then the system is broken and needs to be rebuilt.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by chillwaves » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

zabeltech wrote: post #118

zabeltech wrote: post #38

not saying there is no value in this initiative, just a reminder, that a camera always hides more than it shows - unknown unnowns etc...

I dont know why this gets downvoted so much. Let me elaborate: i have witnessed Police brutality first hand. Even here where we dont go through much of the authoritarian training americans are used to, i.e christian churches with heavy influence - here religion is merely a nostalgic thing. I know also that even here victims of Police brutality basically have No Chance of retaliation. That beeing said, a video that lo…

Does it mean anything to you, anything at all, that you are willing to defend every single video accusation of police misconduct? What a blanket statement to make.

Maybe you should check your biases.

And here you go,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/judge-releases...

Tell me why this guy deserved to die for losing at a game of Simon Says.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by pnako » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

samh wrote: post #83

Goodbye Western civilisation, you people are credulous and mad.

Oh, don't worry, the Silicon Valley nerds will be begging for cops the day the riots get a bit too close to them.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by komali2 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #153

ciarannolan wrote: post #104

Here's a pretty good list I've been seeing passed around Reddit with ~20 incidents of police brutalizing peaceful protestors in the last couple days: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli... The list is growing by the hour. Cops in America need to learn very quickly that their power comes only from the consent of the people they police, or they will be made to understand that fact.

I wish that were true, but the complete history of policing in America suggests that the police there exist primarily to protect the land and facilities of the ownership class, and have never had nor needed any consent of those outside of the gentry. The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned, and the brutality will continue until such time that…

Just because it's painful doesn't mean it's hopeless.

Protests now, and when you get home, call, email, and write letters to every person that conceivably has authority over how the police act. Don't relent. They did arrest the murderer, after all.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by zabeltech » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #105

zabeltech wrote: post #38

not saying there is no value in this initiative, just a reminder, that a camera always hides more than it shows - unknown unnowns etc...

I know, I'm trying to be careful/selective about what I put on the site. Only clear oversteps should be shown in my opinion

Yeah that's the Problem, what is a clear overstep? Maybe the 'victim' was totally out of His mind before, maybe he was calmed down before an raged again, maybe he was loaded up with drugs and imposed a danger to himself/Others/the Police. It's not that you could judge what is a 'clear overstep' by the immeriate context you see in the video

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by loceng » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #89

loceng wrote: post #77

I think also compiling a list of video and photos of the good police who are joining, supporting police - or protestors who are keeping police safe in certain circumstances - to counterbalance the abuse by reminding people of the humanity. Edit to add for examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5pqj/a_veteran_prot... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtx9am/the_police_tak... https://www.reddit.com/r/p…

I'm 100% behind this. I saw a sheriff in Flint talking to and marching with protestors and it warmed my heart. I will look into this ASAP

https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/gtxt...

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by Eyas » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

Is there an okay percentage of brutality by police?

When a failure in the system happens, it needs to be magnified, studied, dissected, and the system must evolve to make sure it doesn't happen again. This is how we have safer nuclear plants, airplanes, etc. And in human systems too: coal miners and people on oil rigs have adopted new protocols to help their workers be more safe. The police is not immune. One act of brutality must be documented, post-mortemed, debugged, and mitigated.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by latchkey » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

nullc wrote: post #142

arkadiyt wrote: post #67

Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already submitted, but here are some: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540... https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler…

> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

Ah yes, cops telling you that they didn't do it.

At first I said to myself "he didn't do it, he isn't a cop..." and then I started to think about the source of the information.

I'm not taking sides here. I don't know if he did it or not. I just like to question all sources at this point. Just because they say they didn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't do it.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by enitihas » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

3wolf wrote: post #144

Lariscus wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy: Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists) Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control) Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.

Someone would have to add their integrations though. The features won't be joined magically together.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by komali2 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

nullc wrote: post #142

arkadiyt wrote: post #67

Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already submitted, but here are some: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540... https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler…

> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

This just in, serial arsonist denies ever committing arson!