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Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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I've been playing Piano for ~28 years, almost went professional (Jazz) but ended up doing engineering. My advice would be to find a teacher, if you know nothing about it you need a teacher that corrects you so that you don't develop bad habits. Once you're no longer a novice, you can start learning other things on your own. When looking for a teacher, I wouldn't try to find "the best" or "most virtuoso" around, but w…

Where does one even begin to look for a teacher? Where do these guys publicize their services? For context, I'm an amateur guitarist with an interest in singing Sufjan Stevens songs.

Ask local singers or musicians. They know, or they know those who know.

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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Depends exactly what you want to do. As a singer/songwriter myself, I'd recommend checking Eric Arceneaux on youtube for some beginner lessons. https://www.youtube.com/user/EricArceneaux Start with the warmups, work on breath fundamentals, and sing for the love of singing :) A good vocal coach in person is fantastic, but expensive.

Not the op, but say you're looking to pick up a minor hobby with the goal of being able to sing campfire/karoake basics such that it's a tolerable or maybe even pleasant experience for the audience. Inspiration being "not-pretty" talk-singing singer-songwriters - John Darnielle, Bill Callahan, Will Oldham, etc.

Difficulty level: starting from utter scratch, middle-aged.

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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Get regular Skype lessons with Kegan from https://www.bohemianvocalstudio.com. He also has YouTube videos up so you can get a taste for what he focuses on first. Don't worry if he doesn't sing in the exact style you want, because it's all about foundational principles. It's life-changing stuff.

If that won't work for you and you're set on in-person lessons, try to find someone who was never a natural singer, and had to learn everything from scratch. They'll be able to pass on more than someone who started with a basic natural ability.

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There are a thousand different techniques to learn how to sing and many people stick to their "tribe". If you're smart, you'll look beyond whoever teaches you first and stay open to other techniques with different approaches or opinions. Stick with what feels good for your body. If your throat hurts, stop. Now, having said all that. I have had really positive experiences with a teacher who teaches CVT (Complete Vocal…

I also highly recommend Complete Vocal Technique. It breaks down the voice in a unique way that I think particularly appeals to engineers and teaches you how to re-create any style safely by using correct vocal support, vowel choice, mouth position, etc...

My vocal coach (Greg Delson) is incredible and teaches Complete Vocal Technique. He does online lessons, group lessons, etc... that are worth looking into:

https://www.landlights.com/vocal-instruction

https://www.instagram.com/landlights.music/

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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Whatever you end up doing wrt tutoring, prioritise now your vocal health, and your singing (?) while you are young. https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/taking-care-your-voice

Depending on the style, this can be difficult. Human audiences respond to vocals which convey passion. A lot of times, passionate singing strains the voice.

Singing judiciously limits you creatively in the short term. Singing passionately can limit you creatively in the long term, as you burn out your instrument.

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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Get regular Skype lessons with Kegan from https://www.bohemianvocalstudio.com . He also has YouTube videos up so you can get a taste for what he focuses on first. Don't worry if he doesn't sing in the exact style you want, because it's all about foundational principles. It's life-changing stuff. If that won't work for you and you're set on in-person lessons, try to find someone who was never a natural singer, and had…

Agreed. I trained under an opera singer in college, which couldn't be further from the genres of music I play in, but the underlying principles of bel canto singing were transformative for me.

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Are you looking to improve in one area specifically? Placement? Range? Sight-singing ability? I agree with another commenter that a voice teacher will help get you started. I studied contemporary musical theatre in college, studied music and took classical voice lessons from a young age, and singing/harmonizing with a group was the most impactful on my own experience. Take a look at local colleges offering sight-sing…

Personally, I just sing or hum along with music, and if there was one thing I could improve, it'd be the ability to sing in tune. I do the "finger in your ear" trick, but it's still quite difficult to hit a note right, or move between several without sounding like a trombone (glissando). I absolutely marvel at what pop singers can do with ornaments, seemingly hitting a whole series of notes in rapid succession, in tu…

Even if you have a good sense of pitch, melismatic singing may be beyond you. Very few people can sound good singing Stevie Wonder covers.

For what it's worth, I've improved my ability to sing with accurate pitch, by imagining the pitch in my head before I sing it.

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I was in choirs growing up, and the one thing any singing teacher will start you with is: learning how to breathe from your diaphragm.

If you need a place to get started, you might just look for a few YouTube videos or tutorials about that. It gives you extra volumes of breath, so you can belt out the notes and hold them longer. Everything else follows from that.

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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I've been playing Piano for ~28 years, almost went professional (Jazz) but ended up doing engineering. My advice would be to find a teacher, if you know nothing about it you need a teacher that corrects you so that you don't develop bad habits. Once you're no longer a novice, you can start learning other things on your own. When looking for a teacher, I wouldn't try to find "the best" or "most virtuoso" around, but w…

This is such a brilliant comment: "so you don't develop bad habits."

I went to Japan as an exchange student when I was 16. I had never studied Japanese at all. The thing that surprised me the most was how hard it was for foreign students to unlearn the bad things they learned inside their American classrooms by listening to their friends.

Most of them picked up bad pronunciations, bad grammar practices. Even if they were diligent (which is being generous for the high students they sent over with me), they would hear other students speaking in ways that made sense to them from their perspective of how English works. They would hear and repeat Japanese words in the bad pronunciation style their friends in class did, and those ways make sense. But, none of those practices were what Japanese people did.

I often remark on how fortunate I felt to have only learned Japanese in a setting where I only heard correct pronunciation and heard statements made by natives. In three months I was ahead of others who had studied back in the US for two or three years or more.

I would really love to see if anyone has studied this effect inside the world of software engineering. We pride ourselves in the hacker culture where self-directed learners are glamorized, but I wonder whether having good teachers and getting good feedback early on would make a large or small difference long term. This could be a startling alternative to the "naturally brilliant prodigy" stories we always hear.

Re: Ask HN: I'd like to learn vocals, any suggestion on how I can do this?

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I've been playing Piano for ~28 years, almost went professional (Jazz) but ended up doing engineering. My advice would be to find a teacher, if you know nothing about it you need a teacher that corrects you so that you don't develop bad habits. Once you're no longer a novice, you can start learning other things on your own. When looking for a teacher, I wouldn't try to find "the best" or "most virtuoso" around, but w…

Where does one even begin to look for a teacher? Where do these guys publicize their services? For context, I'm an amateur guitarist with an interest in singing Sufjan Stevens songs.

What website am I browsing?? Google it my friend... Also Craigslist.
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