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Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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That's assuming he ever mattered in the first place, as good an example as any of begging the question.

He didn’t. He was a fad of high school English teachers in 2000-2005, so now a handful of 30-somethings think he was some kind of important figure. Silly.

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN. You've done it a lot, unfortunately, and it's not what this site is for.

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Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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In the public forum, Eliot’s stature does seem to be high. Yet I wonder how many people celebrating him are under the age of thirty. Readers over thirty are likely to have discovered him in decades past when, firstly, there was more of a culture of actual print books (Eliot’s long and intricate verse works best on the physical page), and secondly, much of the canon (and the whole idea of a canon) had not yet been so…

> for readers who believe that favoring female and minority voices is a moral and ethical issue A strange morality indeed that mandates sexism and racism...

Indeed. It is produced by the addition of qualifiers to words like "justice." As if justice, equality, and such need qualifiers. It's about inverting oppression instead of getting rid of it. As if oppression is any better inverted.

Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t. He was a fad of high school English teachers in 2000-2005, so now a handful of 30-somethings think he was some kind of important figure. Silly.

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN. You've done it a lot, unfortunately, and it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How is it unsubstantive?

Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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In the public forum, Eliot’s stature does seem to be high. Yet I wonder how many people celebrating him are under the age of thirty. Readers over thirty are likely to have discovered him in decades past when, firstly, there was more of a culture of actual print books (Eliot’s long and intricate verse works best on the physical page), and secondly, much of the canon (and the whole idea of a canon) had not yet been so…

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Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN. You've done it a lot, unfortunately, and it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How is it unsubstantive?

It is a shallow dismissal, snarky, and a non sequitur, for starters.

Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it unsubstantive?

It is a shallow dismissal, snarky, and a non sequitur, for starters.

Should I find all the other comments that mimic mine in the past week to see if you’ve singled them out? There’s twitter threads full of them.

Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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In the public forum, Eliot’s stature does seem to be high. Yet I wonder how many people celebrating him are under the age of thirty. Readers over thirty are likely to have discovered him in decades past when, firstly, there was more of a culture of actual print books (Eliot’s long and intricate verse works best on the physical page), and secondly, much of the canon (and the whole idea of a canon) had not yet been so…

I discovered Eliot in my 20s. I’m still discovering him: I’ve been working my way through Four Quartets for about five years. Spent about 10 years discovering The Waste Land. Yes he’s a privileged white male. But even for younger readers, that’s not a huge turn off. Besides, he may have been gay. Regarding his public stature - he’s still present - more so than, say, Ezra Pound. For example, “Better You Believe” ( htt…

Some readers must have an enormous problem with literary output by 'anonymous'. They might even have to resort to judging a piece on its merit.

Re: Why T.S. Eliot still matters

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In the public forum, Eliot’s stature does seem to be high. Yet I wonder how many people celebrating him are under the age of thirty. Readers over thirty are likely to have discovered him in decades past when, firstly, there was more of a culture of actual print books (Eliot’s long and intricate verse works best on the physical page), and secondly, much of the canon (and the whole idea of a canon) had not yet been so…

Lots of Eliot's well-known work is a century old, plenty of it is short, most of it has been through the wringer of various forms of literary theory, interpretation and critique. I'm not sure what evidence there is the idea of a canon has come under some particularly 'savage' recent critique that would affect people under 30 especially or that such people don't read much on paper or that the work itself is particularly tied to paper in some important way. I think you're shoehorning some sort of generalized social critique/viewpoint of your own into the perception of Eliot and I can't see how it actually fits other than by generalities so mushy they can be made to fit anything.
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