I switched to Airmail for only this reason lol
Watch out.
Last time I tried it, it was vulnerable to a bunch of issues similar to XSS.
I suggest you test it with https://www.emailprivacytester.com/ and see if it still finds anything.
Apple Mail randomly becomes the frontmost application in macOS
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Re: Apple Mail randomly becomes the frontmost application in macOS
#122I stopped using Mac Mail quite recently, because of a bug that meant not all my IMAP folders were displayed.
Remember Mozilla Thunderbird? It's great. Also has an RSS reader built in.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Your bug will at least then be triaged and acknowledged. Lol sure it will.
Bugreporter is just a front end for Radar. And I can assure that when I was working at Apple bugs were triaged and acknowledged by a PM. Doesn’t mean they get fixed though.
> Bugreporter is just a front end for Radar.
It’s “Feedback Assistant” now and at least one level removed from Radar now. Can’t give third party developers a direct line to engineers!
> And I can assure that when I was working at Apple bugs were triaged and acknowledged by a PM.
They used to, maybe? Not anymore. I think I got two responses in June 2019 and then nobody has looked at my bugs since.
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#124Reading the people that put up with it why? What's wrong with thunderbird?
Mac Mail is a great app IMO. It's full featured and performant, I'm very happy with it. This is pretty much the only issue, and it's only with Gmail.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bugreporter is just a front end for Radar. And I can assure that when I was working at Apple bugs were triaged and acknowledged by a PM. Doesn’t mean they get fixed though.
Radar’s asinine search functionality also obscures the seriousness of bugs by failing to reveal dupes. It doesn’t (or at least didn’t) default to searching for all words used in the title; it only searches for the EXACT string you enter. It was a pain in the ass to even find bugs YOU wrote. I couldn’t believe how goddamned dumb this is, or the Radar team’s response: Oh, you simply use Oracle syntax and wildcards in t…
> Oh, you simply use Oracle syntax and wildcards in the title search!
TIL
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience, if you always hide the Mail window (cmd-h) instead of closing it (cmd-w), it won't ever pop back up. Takes a while to retrain the muscle memory though! I haven't tested this in Catalina, but it definitely works consistently in Mojave.
Mind you, a program with “hidden” windows open takes up more CPU/memory than a program without any windows open, because the view-controllers for those windows are still running, just bound to an invisible, non-updating view. (Though, admittedly, it’s less of a CPU cost than minimizing the window, since that requires the view to be kept active too, to facilitate updating the live thumbnail.) The main place this comes…
> Mind you, a program with “hidden” windows open takes up more CPU/memory than a program without any windows open
I can’t speak to Mail, but in general a Mac app with no visible windows may actually take zero CPU, because (if it’s written to allow for it) the OS may kill the process entirely.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple bug tracker is so frustrating. They take forever to answer, and ask for things that you have already provided in your original issue. When you try to reproduce the bug on multiple versions, they close your bug if you reproduced it on beta versions, because beta versions are unsupported, even though the bug affects release versions. Sometimes this happens even if they asked you to try the beta version! The bugs…
You can’t see other people’s bug reports because they often contain screenshots or telemetry data which is confidential. And I believe the way Apple works is to look through Radar for important/widespread bugs, mark them for fixing in the next release, fix them and then ask you to retest. They aren’t just going through and fixing Radar’s one by one. Hence you get that frustrating experience where it looks like the bu…
> You can’t see other people’s bug reports because they often contain screenshots or telemetry data which is confidential.
You know what would be great? If I could mark my bug as “please let everyone be able to find this”. But Apple refusing to add this feature shoes that they still do not fundamentally understand and/or care about how external feedback works.
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#128Funnily enough most of the times Mail came up was due to me accidentally pressing cmd + i in a browser.
I hate that! I’ve been looking for ways to turn it off or rebind it to another keyboard shortcut but it never sticks…
Re: Apple Mail randomly becomes the frontmost application in macOS
#129Same. I’ve had this issue for a while now.
Re: Apple Mail randomly becomes the frontmost application in macOS
#130Ugh! It’s most annoying when you’re in a full screen app and presenting. Suddenly, Mail.app decides to take half the screen and spurts all my inbox for everyone to see. You can’t watch full time videos either due to this annoyance.