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GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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All valid points, but I disagree with the conclusion, for several reasons: * First of all, the GPT-3 authors successfully trained a model with 175 billion parameters. I mean, 175 billion. The previous largest model in the literature, Google’s T5, had "only" 11 billion. Models with trillions of weights are suddenly looking... achievable. That's a significant experimental accomplishment. * Second, the model achieves co…

> More generally, I find that some AI researchers and practitioners with strong theoretical backgrounds tend to dismiss this kind of paper as "merely" engineering.

It's just that this kind of work is more interesting as a general member of the public than as an AI researcher.

As a human being I find it really interesting to see where this kind of models can take us. I was amazed playing with GPT-2 online demos and seeing to what extent it could generate text that looked like what a human could produce. With its quirks and problems, but still impressive. And I can't wait to put my fingers on a GPT-3 online demo.

But as an NLP academic researcher (and this is not hypothetical, I'm actually one), what do I learn from this paper? What importance does it have to my research? Actually very little. You need more than 350 GB to fit the 175B parameters in memory, currently the largest GPU I can access has 24 GB (and I can access only one of those, which I use to -barely- run BERT-large). The cost of training the model in the cloud is estimated to be $12 million (https://twitter.com/eturner303/status/1266264358771757057). This is a single training run, not including any neural architecture search, bug fixing, etc. So even though for an academic researcher my funding situation is not bad at all, I'm like a couple of orders of magnitude away from being able to do anything meaningful with models of this size, and can't expect that to change for at least 8-10 years (by which point, at the pace NLP evolves, this will be ancient history anyway).

On the other hand, of course very often you learn useful ideas from papers that you can apply yourself even if it's not by implementing the same models in the paper, but that's not the case either. Here the lesson learned is "bigger is better" and I cannot train these enormous models, so there is not really much here that I can apply.

So as an academic researcher, really there isn't a lot to do with this apart from shrugging, and basically dismissing it and just keeping trying to do our best with what we have. Which is still useful, at least if we don't want NLP applications to be in the hands of an oligopoly of megacorps and restricted only to the few most economically viable languages.

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #14
post #7

All valid points, but I disagree with the conclusion, for several reasons: * First of all, the GPT-3 authors successfully trained a model with 175 billion parameters. I mean, 175 billion. The previous largest model in the literature, Google’s T5, had "only" 11 billion. Models with trillions of weights are suddenly looking... achievable. That's a significant experimental accomplishment. * Second, the model achieves co…

I'm reminded of Rich Sutton's essay, "The Bitter Lesson:" Moore's law is running on fumes at this point. The complexity of further scaling has reached geopolitical proportions. We need to get back to looking at more creative models in both the software and hardware domains. the model achieves competitive results on many NLP tasks and benchmarks without finetuning The article dismisses this result with the following a…

> We need to get back to looking at more creative models in both the software and hardware domains.

That would be pretty foolish, given the fact that every hand crafted model eventually gets surpassed with brute force. A better use of time would be tackling whatever you mean by "complexity of further scaling has reached geopolitical proportions". I'm not a fan of it, as it is terribly inelegant, but denying the years of consistent brute force wins would just be silly.

The best strategy for any nation with an interest in AI (be it economic or something much more skynety) would be securing two things very quickly: fabrication capacity and nuclear power, because this stuff is going to be measure megawatts - not ANN layers. Improving the efficiency of that conversion would certainly be helpful, but history has shown that to be a lower priority, just take a look at how ridiculously deep software stacks are compared to 20 years ago. I really wish the linguists had been proven right in the 1970s...

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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Meanwhile, a revolutionary paper that brought for the first successful time a new paradigm to NLP (latent variational autoencoders) and that destroy GPT 3 on text perplexity on the Pen treebank (4.6 vs 20) and with order of magnitudes less parameters is talked about nowhere on the web... https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.02645v2

Have they deployed a demo? It's hard to talk about something that no one can see.

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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It would be cool if there was a platform to crowd source compute resources to train stuff like this so that regular people (without 7 figure budgets) can have access to these models which are becoming increasingly out of reach to the general public.

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #7

All valid points, but I disagree with the conclusion, for several reasons: * First of all, the GPT-3 authors successfully trained a model with 175 billion parameters. I mean, 175 billion. The previous largest model in the literature, Google’s T5, had "only" 11 billion. Models with trillions of weights are suddenly looking... achievable. That's a significant experimental accomplishment. * Second, the model achieves co…

> More generally, I find that some AI researchers and practitioners with strong theoretical backgrounds tend to dismiss this kind of paper as "merely" engineering. It's just that this kind of work is more interesting as a general member of the public than as an AI researcher. As a human being I find it really interesting to see where this kind of models can take us. I was amazed playing with GPT-2 online demos and se…

I disagree. If as a researcher you come up with a new kind of model that (1) performs better than small-scale transformers given the same computational budget, and (2) improves its performance as you increase the computation budget (model size), quite a few people will be curious to see how your model would perform at greater and greater scale.

BTW, I like the clever username, Al-Khwarizmi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #20

Meanwhile, a revolutionary paper that brought for the first successful time a new paradigm to NLP (latent variational autoencoders) and that destroy GPT 3 on text perplexity on the Pen treebank (4.6 vs 20) and with order of magnitudes less parameters is talked about nowhere on the web... https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.02645v2

FYI, the MELBO bound in that paper is invalid. Their perplexity numbers using the MELBO bound are also invalid.

Can you explain further?

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #7

All valid points, but I disagree with the conclusion, for several reasons: * First of all, the GPT-3 authors successfully trained a model with 175 billion parameters. I mean, 175 billion. The previous largest model in the literature, Google’s T5, had "only" 11 billion. Models with trillions of weights are suddenly looking... achievable. That's a significant experimental accomplishment. * Second, the model achieves co…

> More generally, I find that some AI researchers and practitioners with strong theoretical backgrounds tend to dismiss this kind of paper as "merely" engineering. It's just that this kind of work is more interesting as a general member of the public than as an AI researcher. As a human being I find it really interesting to see where this kind of models can take us. I was amazed playing with GPT-2 online demos and se…

I am doing other hpc stuff, so I am wondering why are you limited to 1 GPU? Windows recognizes up to 8 I think.

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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Newbie question: If/when models the size of GPT3 are released to the general public, will average people going to be able to run them on their PCs, as they can with GPT2? Or will that basically be impossible now without expensive specialty hardware?

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #22
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of Rich Sutton's essay, "The Bitter Lesson:" Moore's law is running on fumes at this point. The complexity of further scaling has reached geopolitical proportions. We need to get back to looking at more creative models in both the software and hardware domains. the model achieves competitive results on many NLP tasks and benchmarks without finetuning The article dismisses this result with the following a…

> We need to get back to looking at more creative models in both the software and hardware domains. That would be pretty foolish, given the fact that every hand crafted model eventually gets surpassed with brute force. A better use of time would be tackling whatever you mean by "complexity of further scaling has reached geopolitical proportions". I'm not a fan of it, as it is terribly inelegant, but denying the years…

That would be pretty foolish, given the fact that every hand crafted model

Who said anything about hand crafted AI models? I’m talking about revisiting our models of computation. Moore’s law has long made it impossible to challenge the dominance of Von Neumann. Perhaps what we need to make further progress is some sort of decentralized, busless computer? Who knows?

Re: GPT-3: A Disappointing Paper?

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post #7

All valid points, but I disagree with the conclusion, for several reasons: * First of all, the GPT-3 authors successfully trained a model with 175 billion parameters. I mean, 175 billion. The previous largest model in the literature, Google’s T5, had "only" 11 billion. Models with trillions of weights are suddenly looking... achievable. That's a significant experimental accomplishment. * Second, the model achieves co…

> More generally, I find that some AI researchers and practitioners with strong theoretical backgrounds tend to dismiss this kind of paper as "merely" engineering. It's just that this kind of work is more interesting as a general member of the public than as an AI researcher. As a human being I find it really interesting to see where this kind of models can take us. I was amazed playing with GPT-2 online demos and se…

> As a human being...

I know I'm cherry picking your post, sorry, but this line kinda stood out to me as funny but intriguing.

Doesn't something like this go without saying? Or is GPT-3 advanced enough that we must now distinguish ourselves from the robots and the dogs?

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