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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by crakhamster01 » Sat, May 30, 2020, 5:20 AM UTC

curiousgeorgio wrote: post #336

crakhamster01 wrote: post #326

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I get that more context is always better, but the notion of "context" is infinitely expandable. What were these reporters doing in the hour prior to the arrest? Oh, nothing? Well, where were they at the start of the riots? Just getting to the scene? Hmm well, what's the police officer's story; has he had bad experiences with the press in the past? And so on... Most people have seen enough coverage of police officers…

> Most people have seen enough coverage of police officers doing unreasonable things in order to make a judgement call Bingo! That's the problem. People are making "judgement calls" based on highly publicized, recent cases of police officers doing "unreasonable things". Those cases represent prejudice , and last I checked, people are still innocent until proven guilty in this country. That goes for the reporters and…

> People are making "judgement calls" based on highly publicized, recent cases of police officers doing "unreasonable things".

Define recent? Uneven application of force from the police based off of race is a known issue, and has been one for quite some time. In the past decade or so we have been able to witness more of these incidents due to the ubiquity of smartphones, but look no further than policies like stop and frisk as examples that illustrate the unjust policing of minorities [1].

In business, we have a philosophy of building goodwill. We do things to establish trust with our users so that when we inevitably screw up, they will give us a pass. But it's important to remember that goodwill is a finite commodity. Screw up one too many times without making concessions, and you will no longer get the benefit of the doubt.

No one is debating that there are plenty of good officers in the US, the issue is with the bad ones, and the lack of repercussions/changes in policy to address them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_Cit...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by meshaneian » Sat, May 30, 2020, 8:02 AM UTC

Jenz wrote: post #272

take_a_breath wrote: post #93

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==I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department.== Never heard it put quite this way. Well said!

Being a punctuation mark enthusiast, I’m very interested where you got that ⟨==xxx==⟩ notation from

I saw similar punctuation on "Forensic Files" used by a serial killer. Not that anyone who uses odd quotes is a serial killer. ~~Just sayin'~~

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by MaxBarraclough » Sat, May 30, 2020, 11:02 AM UTC

101404 wrote: post #342

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In the interests of precision, Trump didn't suggest that people try injecting bleach, he suggested that researchers look into injecting disinfectant as a means of treating those with the virus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177 I see I'm being downvoted. Is my account of things incorrect, or is it because I didn't explicitly spell out that it's silly for a president to give brain-dead research advic…

Yes, that's another thing Trump said that was purposefully "misunderstood". There are many things to criticize him for. But sadly the media is so incredibly lazy that they constantly make up these "scandals" about things he supposedly "meant". And: you are downvoted because you are not following groupthink. It doesn't matter how factually correct it is.

The truth of it is still scandalous. Does it absolve Trump of responsibility for idiots drinking disinfectant? At least partially, yes. It's still a ridiculous way for a leader to behave.

It's absurd that Trump thought he was in a position to give technical advice to medical researchers, and it's even more absurd that he thought injecting disinfectant could be the way to go. The hubris and ignorance on display here are shocking.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by orestarod » Sat, May 30, 2020, 11:07 AM UTC

bsenftner wrote: post #150

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>> all the rest of the police stand idly by as one of those in their uniforms commits acts of violence against peaceful people. That seems to be the problem. It's not so much that one gets out of hand, it's that they don't police themselves. If they want to stop it they'll have to begin with the smaller digressions - like speeding or illegal parking when there's no reason for it. Stop your bro from thinking he's abov…

We need stronger whistle blower protections, laws and incentives. The only people who can police the police are the police. So society needs to create the situation where the incentives to police themselves reward them greater than the current corrupt, immature and racist rewards they reap today.

You can't reward someone who is in power into not being corrupt and not abusing their power. You prohibit, stop and punish them. Begging only goes so far.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by hharlequin » Sat, May 30, 2020, 11:43 AM UTC

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Note that Minneapolis state police have claimed that the reporters were released from jail the following morning after confirming themselves as media, which CNN responded by saying they had identified themselves before their arrest and it was only through the Goverers interference that their reporters were released the following morning.

I'm not sure where the report of the following morning is coming from. They were released after about an hour and back on the air. That doesn't excuse anything, as they clearly identified themselves and were live on the air, but this is an exaggeration of what happened.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by tinyhouse » Sat, May 30, 2020, 12:45 PM UTC

acobster wrote: post #349

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Thanks for the book recommendation. > How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse. Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment? I agree not all illegal activities are equal. If you use common sense then indeed you should try your best to avoid violence in illegal activities that don't put anyone in da…

You're welcome! > If you disagree that nakedness should be illegal that's a different story and has nothing to do with the police I do question the logic of nakedness being illegal (in many cases anyway), but I agree that's a different story. :) > Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment? I'm assuming the case you mentioned at Harvard was this one: https://…

You make valid points but it's clear you never had to deal with such situations. When you ask why not just detain him and move him to a safe place. Did you ever try to detain someone who is not cooperating? If you're dealing with someone strong, even 3-4 people can have a very hard time. You have to be physical and it can turn to some levels of violence. The key again is using common sense. The police system should educate their people and also change their hiring process so that people who lack good common sense don't become police officers. Saying that police officers had the choice not to join the police is not serious. Don't also forget that many minorities join the police.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by derangedHorse » Sat, May 30, 2020, 2:11 PM UTC

labcomputer wrote: post #300

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Police officers make bank. In many places their salaries are public record. Plus, they get overtime and contract work as well. So their salary might be $80,000 per year, but they get overtime at like $60/hr, and they get work doing private security for movie theaters, events, etc. Probably at a similar rate. Then you factor in top tier healthcare and a very generous pension program, and their total compensation ballo…

> and they get work doing private security for movie theaters, events, etc. Probably at a similar rate [...] That's not even getting into collusion by the department to defraud tax payers. I once helped to organize a permitted bike race. As part of the permitting process, we needed approval from several city departments, including the police department. In the prior five years of attending races, I never encountered…

I also had to go through this process when throwing an event. The little money we had for a < 300 private event venue was then put at risk and we had to raise money last minute. It was almost funny how many obstacles we had to go through in general for that event, but the requirement of security made everything a little bit worse

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by acobster » Sat, May 30, 2020, 4:02 PM UTC

tinyhouse wrote: post #356

acobster wrote: post #349

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You're welcome! > If you disagree that nakedness should be illegal that's a different story and has nothing to do with the police I do question the logic of nakedness being illegal (in many cases anyway), but I agree that's a different story. :) > Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment? I'm assuming the case you mentioned at Harvard was this one: https://…

You make valid points but it's clear you never had to deal with such situations. When you ask why not just detain him and move him to a safe place. Did you ever try to detain someone who is not cooperating? If you're dealing with someone strong, even 3-4 people can have a very hard time. You have to be physical and it can turn to some levels of violence. The key again is using common sense. The police system should e…

You seem to think that violence is the only option. You obviously think it's justified, but you still haven't stated a reason why being naked in public justifies bodily harm, maybe because you think the need to physically subdue this person was self-evident, by whatever means necessary? I disagree with that premise. This is why one of the central demands of the movement for black lives is "counselors not cops."

I'm 100% serious. Your mistake is in thinking it's a few bad apples. Certainly there are varying degrees of prejudice operating on the police force, but that's not the same thing as racism. The more you learn about the police force as it exists in America, the more you come to find that its roots are embedded in systemic racism. Cops may not realize it, but that doesn't mean it's not on them to decide to what degree they support the system. "Common sense" isn't enough because the system doesn't reward common sense, it rewards blind loyalty to the force. This is America's banality of evil.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by runawaybottle » Sat, May 30, 2020, 4:43 PM UTC

Infinitesimus wrote: post #125

dmix wrote: post #22

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The whole CNN team of four was arrested including the white producer and a latino cameraman.

How it played out was interesting though. Arrested reporter first and only after some time came back and arrested the others. If the intent was to arrest them all, they would have said "you're all under arrest". This smells like they arrested the guy, went "oh shit lets arrest the others too so people don't say we're racist"

Sounds like their modus operandi. What would they do in most situations? Find a reason to justify their actions. Who knows about all the bullshit they came up with on so many prior charges.

This is very much systemic.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by tinyhouse » Sat, May 30, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

acobster wrote: post #358

tinyhouse wrote: post #356

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You make valid points but it's clear you never had to deal with such situations. When you ask why not just detain him and move him to a safe place. Did you ever try to detain someone who is not cooperating? If you're dealing with someone strong, even 3-4 people can have a very hard time. You have to be physical and it can turn to some levels of violence. The key again is using common sense. The police system should e…

You seem to think that violence is the only option. You obviously think it's justified, but you still haven't stated a reason why being naked in public justifies bodily harm, maybe because you think the need to physically subdue this person was self-evident, by whatever means necessary? I disagree with that premise. This is why one of the central demands of the movement for black lives is "counselors not cops." I'm 1…

Well, if a counselor could help resolve such situations quickly I'm all for it. But I'm doubtful based on my previous experience with troubled people. People have many opinions and ideas until one of those people become their own personal problem.

There has been systematic racism everywhere. Did we close academia because of systematic racism? The system will need to change. But there are no alternatives like some people here try to suggest. I think we will need to agree to disagree...