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Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by _-david-_ »

mindslight wrote: post #363
_-david-_ wrote: post #345

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>"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." What other interpretation am I to draw? The person I was responded to said Target was intentionally creating new policies to put people of color in jail. If anything the person I was responding to is the one that needs to take a more plausible explanation of what Target was doing. >The larger…

If you can't avoid reflexively jumping on phrases long enough to see the parallels to a common sci-fi theme, then there's no conversation to be had. All I can say is that if you want conservative thought to remain relevant, try applying it where it can be useful. Hint: the breakdown in law and order here started with the police department itself.

>If you can't avoid reflexively jumping on phrases long enough to see the parallels to a common sci-fi theme, then there's no conversation to be had.

I have no clue what you are talking about. What sci-fi theme are you talking about?

>All I can say is that if you want conservative thought to remain relevant, try applying it where it can be useful.

Again I have no clue what you are talking about. I am not making a conservative point. I am just refuting the claim that Target is racist for arresting thieves.

Also seeing how I am being upvoted and you are being downvoted I am guessing my "conservative thoughts" are relevant to many people.

>Hint: the breakdown in law and order here started with the police department itself.

And? That has nothing to do with Target which is all we are talking about.

It also doesn't justify destroying other people's property.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

wayoutthere wrote: post #315
joshmn wrote: post #97

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> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things There are people who want to destroy things. See: https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?... for a the current manchild of the hour. It often cascades from individuals like these. He may be the poster boy of the chaos but I assure you, as someone who has been in these streets, he is not alone. Please, come join us and you can see for you…

"Current manchild of the hour" has been identified as a police officer in plain clothes in other threads... There are a lot of provocateurs and I don't think we can align any of their motives with those of the protesters. Many are trying to create a justification for violence against the protesters. Some are just "break shit and get free stuff".

Source for that? It's possible but it looked like white as antifa black block kid. The style is literally the same what they do all around the world during the G20 etc. meetings.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by tomc1985 »

gopalv wrote: post #291
ortusdux wrote: post #163

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Philly, 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing "There was an armed standoff with police,[5] who lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. The MOVE members fired at them and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued.[32] Police went through over ten thousand rounds of ammunition before Commissioner Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.[32] From a Pennsylvania State Police helic…

> The drone over Minneapolis is a MQ-9 reaper, aka "predator B", hunter-killer UAV. I'd guess this is a Gorgon Stare drone. https://longreads.com/2019/06/21/nothing-kept-me-up-at-night... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare#Development

Is this the tech that's essentially a bunch of phone camera sensors stitched together?

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by BurningFrog »

pm90 wrote: post #22

This was very predictable. Tools invented for military operations abroad eventually, predictably find their way back domestically. Despite that, its a dangerous thing to happen. I am aware of how unlikely it is for the current US Government to use the drone offensively, but once you have a massive fleet of drones flying over the US, patrolling "troubling" neighborhoods constantly, the temptation to use those abilitie…

The government also has fighter jets if it wants to massacre protestors.

If this form surveillance makes it so I don't have to listen to as many helicopters outside my downtown widow, I'm all for it.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by tomc1985 »

Alupis wrote: post #248
beambot wrote: post #32

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Where do you draw the distinction between a drone (presumably unarmed) vs a police helicopter?

I think we first need to determine what is upsetting about this, specifically. Is it that they are flying a UAV that was originally designed for military use? Or is it that they are flying a UAV period? What if it was a new UAV, designed just for law enforcement? No problems then? Presumably this UAV has no weapons on it, so I'm unsure what the problem could be unless we just flat oppose former military equipment bei…

> So, what specifically is it that we don't like about this situation?

Mass surveillance of any kind is unacceptable, especially in a civilian context

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by t-writescode »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #350
dmix wrote: post #171

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This is why I'm looking forward to ~1 year from now to see who is getting 'fact checked' on Twitter. Only a fool would be evaluating the first case to judge whether the whole idea is valid.

No one can see past their own noses it seems.

(edit: Few like) the idea of letting any bad people go, even if it eventually means taking in a lot of innocent people

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by chance_state »

t-writescode wrote: post #400
chance_state wrote: post #307

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>Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. Please link some proof or stop spreading this rumor on HN. >White guy breaks windows and.. walks away? Holds an umbrella? Is this evidence that he's a cop or just your imagination?

There's a very short list of what that person can be: Either the video is fake or real. Let's pretend it's real. Either the video is staged or not. * if staged, then this is a person trying to spread the idea that there are agent provocateurs * if not staged, then this is a real person that did this If this is a real person that did this, then: * they either did it of their own free will, or * there is a group of peo…

>I think it's reasonable to conclude either:

> * this guy just wanted to do harm to the location for themselves > * somebody, acting alone or with others, is trying to either make the protests violent or make the protests look violent > * it's staged and the people staging the video are trying to make it look like there are agent provocateurs out there trying to either make the protests violent or make them look like they're violent.

This is not reasonable at all.

2/3 options assume that this is an agent provocateur, which, again, no evidence has been produced to support, which was the entire point in the first place.

Again, someone please produce evidence that this person was a cop or agent provocateur, or stop posting this rumor.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by t-writescode »

chance_state wrote: post #407
t-writescode wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a very short list of what that person can be: Either the video is fake or real. Let's pretend it's real. Either the video is staged or not. * if staged, then this is a person trying to spread the idea that there are agent provocateurs * if not staged, then this is a real person that did this If this is a real person that did this, then: * they either did it of their own free will, or * there is a group of peo…

>I think it's reasonable to conclude either: > * this guy just wanted to do harm to the location for themselves > * somebody, acting alone or with others, is trying to either make the protests violent or make the protests look violent > * it's staged and the people staging the video are trying to make it look like there are agent provocateurs out there trying to either make the protests violent or make them look like…

What other options are in this list?

And, it has nothing to do with the number of the options, 1 2 or 3. It has to do with the percentages of probabilities of each option.

It could be there's a 90% chance of the first option and a 5% chance of the second and a 5% chance of the third.

What possible situation did I miss in the collection?

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by heelix »

neckardt wrote: post #397
heelix wrote: post #358

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https://i.imgur.com/BlUJxIj.jpg Was my parent's home. We were south of Fargo, outside of the city dike. Fargo is very, very flat farmland. Our house was 40' above the river. The top of the city dike was around 43'. We melted down the ice, put down a sheet of plastic, and then built a wall of sandbags. Bonus, it was very cold, so you essentially had to bag and place the sandbag before the sand froze. We put around 10k…

How do you acquire 10k sacks of sand on such short notice? Also, how much does that cost?

The sacks were pretty easy to order. You would have a dump truck come out and leave a pile of sand on the driveway. From there, you basically shovel/fill sacks like mad and either place them on your wall or put them someplace heated. Next day you would order another truck of sand. A stupid amount of manpower was involved. Entire high school football team came over to help fill on one of the days. The entire city basically shut down and did little but. We did the same for at least five or six houses that we did for ours. Exhausting.

https://i.imgur.com/Ijzt56t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FR0qla3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KDvP5Du.jpg

I'll have to dig up some of the 'end of days' photos where it almost breached the wall. You had to buy flood insurance early on... which was pricey, but covered a lot of the supplies. It was several thousand dollars for the 2009 construction.

We had 3 '500 year' floods. 1997, 2009, and 2011. The Red river flows north, which is an oddity. Lots of snow, with folks redirecting water caused some new records. Grand Forks was flooded out in one of those years - Fargo almost fell. By the time the third major flood happened - we were ready.

https://i.imgur.com/jhAIMMn.jpg

We set up a series of hesco bags and filled them directly. Worked great, and they came and picked up the bags to be reused in the Bismark flooding. Sand doubled in price each time... and the city really wanted this property on the cheap... so that last run took hours but cost about 20k. (yikes) After that, the city built a permanent dike that protected the property.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by uxp100 »

kitotik wrote: post #376
leereeves wrote: post #322

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When cops who choke a white person to death aren't charged, there's far less outrage. For example, David Glen Ward was killed by a police choke hold six months ago. The deputy responsible was fired, but no charges have been filed. https://www.kqed.org/news/11818476/deputies-blunt-force-neck...

Not trying to justify the cops killing that guy, but it’s a pretty different scenario for at least a couple reasons: 1) The guy was armed and leading a high speed chase 2) I don’t think there is a long, long, documented history of cops murdering the unarmed white guys without any real consequence

> I don’t think there is a long, long, documented history of cops murdering the unarmed white guys without any real consequence

There is. Police disproportionately kill black men, but there is ALSO a long history of cops murdering unarmed white men.

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