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Re: Room 641A

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Post by thr0w3345 »

hpoe wrote: post #31
svdr wrote: post #8

What kind of data do they have access to, now that most internet traffic is encrypted?

Also I'd be suprise if they don't have a copy or at least acess to all of the maj root certs and websites. Iean sure maybe Facebook or Apple or AWS takes a stand against the govt. Saying "No you can't have our data" but I doubt Verisign or other root level CAs are so scrupulous.

But that would only allow them to sign new certs, CA’s don’t get the private keys only the public part to sign... Or did I misunderstand you?

Re: Room 641A

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Post by j-james »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #42

Is Jewel v. NSA still ongoing? The last update was in 2017 but did not sound like a decision.

> After many years of litigation, on April 25, 2019, ruling from the Northern District of California for Jewel v. NSA concluded that the evidence presented by the plaintiff's experts was insufficient; "the Court confirms its earlier finding that Klein cannot establish the content, function, or purpose of the secure room at the AT&T site based on his own independent knowledge."

> The ruling noted, "Klein can only speculate about what data were actually processed and by whom in the secure room and how and for what purpose, as he was never involved in its operation." The Court further went on to discredit other experts called upon, citing their heavy reliance on the Klein declaration.

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Post by renewiltord »

burmer wrote: post #47
onemoresoop wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool story. Off topic question... Do golden retrievers have a mean side to them? I’ve always liked them and I dont like scary dogs in general

Not normally, but temperament depends on a lot of things. I've read that socialization and temperament of the dog's parents are important.

Wait, socialization of the parents via some epigenetic effect? Fascinating.

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Post by renewiltord »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #43
redblacktree wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically all telecom. Highly important for three-letter agencies to have access, and they have basically unlimited resources, so they get access.

Don't communications companies have to follow some law stating that their infrastructure MUST be tappable by the US government?

CALEA, FISA, and PATRIOT allow for that together.

Re: Room 641A

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Post by HandstandMick »

The async nature of internet routing, bonding, traffic sharing cold vs hot potato, against the rumoured capabilities of these rooms has always bothered me. You would have to be in a position to decrypt or store both directions of the async flow, then correlate that flow between locations that could be for example an alternative landing station on the other side of the country. Or am I completely wrong and are both directions of flow somehow easy to gather or simply not important for the level of detail needed to spy? Eg. You only need to see the request for an A record, not the response, or you only need to see traffic going to target A have suspicion and you work back to access or sync traffic locations with ISPs?

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Post by kjs3 »

nayuki wrote: post #3

Similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF4EUM8CwT4 "The Secret Behind the Huge, Windowless Skyscraper in NYC" by Half as Interesting And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street ; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21555954

Clickbait. It's not a 'secret'. Atlanta has 56 Marietta Street...same windowless tower. They're in every major communications hub.

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Post by isanybodythere »

renewiltord wrote: post #53
burmer wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not normally, but temperament depends on a lot of things. I've read that socialization and temperament of the dog's parents are important.

Wait, socialization of the parents via some epigenetic effect? Fascinating.

Are you trying to point out the missing Oxford comma?

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Post by sgnelson »

j-james wrote: post #52
boomboomsubban wrote: post #42

Is Jewel v. NSA still ongoing? The last update was in 2017 but did not sound like a decision.

> After many years of litigation, on April 25, 2019, ruling from the Northern District of California for Jewel v. NSA concluded that the evidence presented by the plaintiff's experts was insufficient; "the Court confirms its earlier finding that Klein cannot establish the content, function, or purpose of the secure room at the AT&T site based on his own independent knowledge." > The ruling noted, "Klein can only spec…

How Kafkaesque.

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Post by Karto »

renewiltord wrote: post #53
burmer wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not normally, but temperament depends on a lot of things. I've read that socialization and temperament of the dog's parents are important.

Wait, socialization of the parents via some epigenetic effect? Fascinating.

Or more likely because very young dogs would grow some basic traits of character while influenced by the behavior that their parents exhibit in front of them.

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Post by renewiltord »

Karto wrote: post #59
renewiltord wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, socialization of the parents via some epigenetic effect? Fascinating.

Or more likely because very young dogs would grow some basic traits of character while influenced by the behavior that their parents exhibit in front of them.

For some reason, I assumed that the animals were not brought up with their parents.
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