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Post by billme »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #281
billme wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False; Katrina & US border patrol was what officially sparked the call to (publicly) use drones in the US. CBP has used drones with FAA approval within the US since 2006; which does not included any use prior to 2006 which remains classified. SOURCE: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115491642950528436

Odd question. The thing that I find odd about it is the jurisdiction of US border patrol here. Why would the government call them as opposed to, say, national guard? I am curious.

Here’s a map of their jurisdiction:

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-p...

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Post by billme »

PeterisP wrote: post #294
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd question. The thing that I find odd about it is the jurisdiction of US border patrol here. Why would the government call them as opposed to, say, national guard? I am curious.

Probably because US border patrol has aerial surveillance vehicles and lots of experience in their use, and the national guard likely does not

They both have experience, US National Guard would require DoD approval to fly domestic missions.

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Post by mindslight »

kfrzcode wrote: post #175
daeken wrote: post #9

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> With all that's happening the last few days, please don't associate Minnesotans with the riots that have captured the attention of everyone. I understand what you're going for, but this is a bad approach. People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. What you're saying here reads as "don't listen to them, they don't represent us" which i…

I listened to many, many, people, on the ground. I live a few blocks away from the location of the Floyd incident. Attacking police officers (or really anyone, at all) shouldn't be encouraged, in my opinion. Ever. Is an eye-for-an-eye the type of justice that's needed? I don't like it. These are actual quotes: "Fuck police, shoot the pigs!" "Innocents are gonna die" "This is just the start, you ready? You ready?" "We…

> Can't we have justice without violence?

Yes we can. In fact, this is the entire point of the police and criminal justice system - to reduce violence by providing a predictable and civil source of justice. Unfortunately yours has gone rogue, leading to the failed societal conditions you're experiencing.

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Post by meragrin_ »

LanceH wrote: post #214
coryrc wrote: post #166

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> union rules stand in the way of making any quick arrests It's almost like it's some sort of systemic problem

I don't think union rules can prevent someone from being arrested. Rules definitely can't stop a warrant from being issued.

It is not just any union and any normal person. It is union for a government occupation which has protections for mistakes during duty. They have to be extra careful.

Let's just assume he was at some recent point trained to restrain in this manner and he can prove it. It is very unlikely he would be convicted since he was following his training and was unaware of the danger. If they were to try to convict him, I would imagine the union would be more than glad to back him up in a lawsuit which he would likely win.

Since he was charged, I'm assuming they've reviewed enough to be confident he was not acting within how he was trained.

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Post by selimthegrim »

joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

Actually that Target on Lake St did quite a bit

-Target's first dtop for deployment of new loss prevention techniques nationwide

-Refused to sell milk (teargas aid) to protesters

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Post by [deleted] »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #288
pm90 wrote: post #22

This was very predictable. Tools invented for military operations abroad eventually, predictably find their way back domestically. Despite that, its a dangerous thing to happen. I am aware of how unlikely it is for the current US Government to use the drone offensively, but once you have a massive fleet of drones flying over the US, patrolling "troubling" neighborhoods constantly, the temptation to use those abilitie…

I seem to think they wrote a book on things just like this... it was named after some year...back in the 80's if i recall /s... George Orwell would be proud (not of what we've become but for his predictions being so damn accurate).

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Post by chance_state »

lidHanteyk wrote: post #167
joshmn wrote: post #97

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> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things There are people who want to destroy things. See: https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?... for a the current manchild of the hour. It often cascades from individuals like these. He may be the poster boy of the chaos but I assure you, as someone who has been in these streets, he is not alone. Please, come join us and you can see for you…

Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. People are rioting because they are angry. It happens that people are constantly, very gently, angry at the entire capitalist complex. When people riot, therefore they are going to burn down the capitalist complex, because it irritates them and they are in a provocat…

>Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters.

Please link some proof or stop spreading this rumor on HN.

>White guy breaks windows and.. walks away? Holds an umbrella?

Is this evidence that he's a cop or just your imagination?

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Post by meragrin_ »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #138
meragrin_ wrote: post #121

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In all probability, union rules stand in the way of making any quick arrests. Their hands are tied. It is better for them to appear slow and do things by the book than try to appease the irrational mob. They'll eventually get to where the mob wants to go rather than ending up with the cops "winning" in some way due violations of union rules and procedures.

It's hard to see why union rules would trump criminal procedure - if that were true the cops would really be a law above the law. You'd think the much delayed arrest was so that the suspects had time to scrub social media, get rid of Nazi paraphernalia, get their stories straight, that kind of thing. They can't get their fellow officers in trouble, that's part of their code.

It is a government position. It requires training and interactions which may cause death. If a person were trained to restrain a person in a manner which has a high likelihood to cause death and not informed of the risks, should the incorrectly trained person really be held liable for the person's death?

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Post by selimthegrim »

remarkEon wrote: post #212
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #194

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> These protests are at least partly drummed up by out of state agitators This is a scary response. We saw, today, a black CNN reporter arrested by state police on live television. If that’s how an educated, gently-speaking, Constitutionally-protected member of the press is treated, there is a root issue festering. Blaming it on agitators deflects from introspection. A big part of the problem is Minneapolis’s moderat…

If you watched an of the live feeds from the last two nights there are plenty of people who announce that they're from e.g. Nebraska and part of some Antifa faction. >A big part of the problem is Minneapolis’s moderates have turned a blind eye to the problems in their police force for years. I don't understand how people can honestly think this is true. The Police Commissioner is literally the guy from Internal Affai…

How about sending the bill for the civil suits from all these unlawful killings to the policemen's union instead of the city? How about cops who keep getting involved in officer involved shootings get their house taken to pay judgements?

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Post by [deleted] »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #103
wafn wrote: post #35

Pretty sure there are laws against mass arson, looting, rioting, vandalism, etc. so if the people can't follow laws why should the government?

Preserving the rule of law is one of the most fundamental reasons for government to even exist. It's predicated upon the idea that sometimes people break the law, and it's better for there to be due process administered by a judicial system than for there to be anarchy. If this is going to become a people vs. the government type issue, where the government isn't expected to be any better than looters, then the looter…

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