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Post by _-david-_ »

daeken wrote: post #82
joshmn wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand is why many of these small businesses — which have items of value to many people — were targeted. To me, that's burning to burn, damaging to damage, and looting to loot. https://www.startribune.com/these-minneapolis-st-paul-buildi... This is my home. I visit many of these businesses. I do business with two owners on that list. There are groups of people out here who, yes, are looting to loot a…

To some extent, they were burned/looted/otherwise harmed because they were there. But on the other hand, you have things like this experimental Target whose whole purpose in that (very impoverished) neighborhood was to develop new LP techniques, aimed at putting more people of color in prison: https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1265867904844693505 Target is complicit in this systemic disease; I have zero sympath…

Target is complicit in racism for trying to stop people from stealing from them? Do you have any evidence that Target systematically lets white people steal from them while calling the cops on non-whites?

Would would you only try to stop somebody who is stealing from you if they were white? If so that would be quite racist! Trying to stop anybody regardless of their race from stealing from you is not racist.

Regardless, according to the tweet you posted the policy is targeting poor people not people of color. 40% of poor in the US are non-hispanic whites. That means this policy would presumably also be targeting a huge number of white people as well.

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Post by Uhhrrr »

joshmn wrote: post #97
daeken wrote: post #9

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> With all that's happening the last few days, please don't associate Minnesotans with the riots that have captured the attention of everyone. I understand what you're going for, but this is a bad approach. People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things, they're rioting because they don't feel like they're being heard. What you're saying here reads as "don't listen to them, they don't represent us" which i…

> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things There are people who want to destroy things. See: https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?... for a the current manchild of the hour. It often cascades from individuals like these. He may be the poster boy of the chaos but I assure you, as someone who has been in these streets, he is not alone. Please, come join us and you can see for you…

I didn't notice before: in the man-child video, someone has already spray-painted "Free Shit For Everyone Zone" on the red back door of the Autozone.

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Post by komali2 »

remarkEon wrote: post #149
komali2 wrote: post #140

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Lol. The protests started peaceful. There were no calls to burn down a police station. The first window shattered was done so by an undercover cop. The first violent action taken was by the cops. So the people responded in turn. Nope, I don't blame them. They tried kneeling, so the president got a football player fired. They tried peacefully protesting, the cops showed up armed to the teeth and fired at people with p…

>There were no calls to burn down a police station. This must be a joke. If you watched any live feed from the last couple days there are countless examples of people calling for exactly that. >They tried kneeling, so the president got a football player fired. Yeah and the next logical step here is to burn down businesses, probably run by immigrants no less. I stand by my previous statement that America is farther on…

Say what you want, the protests were peaceful until the cops started firing off tear gas. The videos are there for all to see.

Regardless, we shouldn't be surprised at the levels people will go when you grind their noses into the dirt for four hundred years. The law enforcement arm of the government brought this upon itself.

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Post by dhagz »

virmundi wrote: post #191
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #170

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I find it funny that we expect black Americans to peacefully protest. "Please use this system of peaceful protest that hasn't worked for you since forever." LA was 92, we're almost 30 years to the year. Has anything changed? Do you tell HK protestors to write a letter to the CCP instead? It's such a double-standard.

Have the blacks voted out those in power and positions to change things? Nope. Democrats all the way. Hell, Biden said if you’re black and you vote anything other than Democrat, you ain’t black.

Let's look at demographics and voting districts in Minneapolis. I'm willing to bet there's at least a little gerrymandering to suppress the black vote. It's hard to stand together and make your voice heard when the system is being designed to do exactly the opposite.

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Post by dogma1138 »

snypher wrote: post #162
dogma1138 wrote: post #124

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Which police forces use Cobra helicopters? These are gunships that have no utility what so ever. As for Blackhawks I’ve never seen them used by police forces, those in civilian use are not surplus military helicopters or even the UH-60 but rather it’s civilian version the Sikorsky S-70 which are used by fire departments and search and rescue crews.

The Mexican Federal Police operate 6 Blackhawks provided by the US CBP. But it would be fair to say they serve a more militarized role than say Seattle PD. https://youtu.be/mBTs6BGMa3U

I see nothing wrong with Blackhawks in civilian use they are one of the best medium transport helicopters out there.

SAR, medevac, fire fightings etc. are all roles that the Blackhawk is perfectly suited for and all for which it has dedicated variants.

As for law enforcement use again I don’t see a problem with it, the use of them is mostly restricted to very special cases (FBI/DEA etc) due to cost of both the aircraft itself and the operational costs.

The Mexican federal police is indeed essentially an army at this point since they engage in paramilitary operations against the cartels.

On the other hand Cobras have no use other than to spray a target with their auto cannon or missiles.

So I was really curious what police force in the US or anyone is operating attack helicopters.

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Post by komali2 »

Simulacra wrote: post #161
komali2 wrote: post #98

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Word on the ground is target only started getting looted after it tried to close its doors to protestors looking to buy water and medical supplies.

I find it really sad that Target and other stores damaged in the protests may never return. Insurance and risk assessment may unfortunately decide reopening in a certain area is too dangerous.

Target leaving is only a good thing - local business can regain ground in its absence.

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Post by mynameishere »

joshmn wrote: post #3

Native Minnesotan here — living in Minneapolis — that has lived on both coasts: With all that's happening the last few days, please don't generally associate Minnesotans with the violent riots that have captured the attention of everyone. The peacefulness of the protests and gatherings has been overshadowed by the violence. There are countless examples of Minnesotans standing up to those who choose to loot and destro…

Your last sentence contradicts the rest, but okay.

At least you'll be paying for the nice, new police building.

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Post by komali2 »

coryrc wrote: post #173
komali2 wrote: post #141

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Who knows, but the protests were noore violent than when white militiamen stormed the statehouse two weeks ago.. and yet the cops shot tear gas plastic bullets into the crowd anyway.

Did they loot the place while they were there?

Did they suffer from endless degrading at the hands of the police for generations?

Cry more about target losing televisions, if the death of yet another unarmed black man makes you feel nothing at least the looting does.

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Post by outworlder »

mattkrause wrote: post #179
ortusdux wrote: post #163

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Philly, 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing "There was an armed standoff with police,[5] who lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. The MOVE members fired at them and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued.[32] Police went through over ten thousand rounds of ammunition before Commissioner Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.[32] From a Pennsylvania State Police helic…

It's obviously sinister and is a pretty good hint at the end goals, but "Hunter-Killer" is also the project name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAF_Hunter-Killer

> Hunter Killer

So Skynet's schedule is coming back on track once again.

https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/HK-Aerial

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by virmundi »

dhagz wrote: post #234
virmundi wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have the blacks voted out those in power and positions to change things? Nope. Democrats all the way. Hell, Biden said if you’re black and you vote anything other than Democrat, you ain’t black.

Let's look at demographics and voting districts in Minneapolis. I'm willing to bet there's at least a little gerrymandering to suppress the black vote. It's hard to stand together and make your voice heard when the system is being designed to do exactly the opposite.

The parent was referring the LA riots.
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