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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by phkahler »

epistasis wrote: post #18
myrion wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it happened live on air, they were clearly identified as CNN and willing to comply with police orders - making the police's claim laughable. I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.

I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department. The level of police misconduct that's been captured in camera in the last few days is disturbing. There's always one police officer that rushes into a peaceful situation, from behind, and starts violence. This sort of assault on humans is taken to be their responsibility, apparently, and a…

>> all the rest of the police stand idly by as one of those in their uniforms commits acts of violence against peaceful people.

That seems to be the problem. It's not so much that one gets out of hand, it's that they don't police themselves. If they want to stop it they'll have to begin with the smaller digressions - like speeding or illegal parking when there's no reason for it. Stop your bro from thinking he's above the law even when it's not a really big deal.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by elliekelly »

ciarannolan wrote: post #70
xxs wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is 51 karma, which is quite low to clear as it takes only 10 to be x-upvote. OP - used to be 140+ points, which should put it easily on the 1st page - but it's flagged and gone.

Got it, thanks. I think I'd be okay with an even higher threshold before you get some kind of quasi-moderation powers. 250-500+ somewhere.

I could be mistaken but I thought even though users have the ability to flag a post the post itself doesn’t become “flagged” until several different people flag it.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by _bxg1 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #126
_bxg1 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's become clear time and again that they never open themselves up to actual liability. But it would be interesting to hear how wide the gap is between law and reality in this case.

> It's become clear time and again that they never open themselves up to actual liability. I understand that the criminal justice system is very often lenient on police officers, and I'm strongly in favor of increased police accountability; however, there are still many cases of police officers going to prison and departments/municipalities being sued for police misconduct, so to say that there is no actual liability…

We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find ourselves in.

When they can kill someone who isn't a threat, on camera, and face no consequences, why would we expect them to face consequences for something like a frivolous arrest?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by acobster »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #75
monocasa wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other team a block away was white and didn't get arrested.

If it was because the reporters here were 'too close' then that does kind of fit the narrative the cops gave, except they should have told them where they should go instead of arresting them of course. Still, does not make it racism. Plenty of cops make bad decisions, it doesn't make them all racist.

> still, does not make it racism

Depends on your definition of racism. If you just mean "atomized, individual prejudice," you might be correct.

But this is textbook systemic racism, even if the cops aren't acting on a conscious bias. Even if their chief gave them clear orders explaining why, and the reasons ostensibly had nothing to do with race, it is still systemic racism because it falls into a pattern of systematic, nationwide discrimination which is irrefutable and that disproportionately affects people of color.

Recommend you read "So You Want to Talk about Race" by Ijeoma Oluo or "Me and White Supremacy" by Layla Saad to learn more about racism as actual experts on the subject understand it.

(Edit: typo)

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by 0xddd »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

Yes, what a heroic display we're commenting on here. What exactly is your point and how is it relevant to this unsettling video? Just the platitude that not every interaction is necessarily racist?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

sowbug wrote: post #61
tehwebguy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instructions from some random cop are not laws

In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer who is in uniform and acting in the performance of his or her duties. This is a law with criminal consequences.

>In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer

Surely you are mistaken. As but one example, if a cop shows up at your house and says you need to let him in to search, you can tell him to stuff it.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by pionar »

monocasa wrote: post #107
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

> How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. > What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? None > Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? No punis…

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause.

This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional.

They do occasionally face repercussions. Thousands of civil rights lawsuits are settled quietly around the country every year, and some go to court and establish precedents, such as Turner v. Driver.

They don't suffer consequences enough, though, and depend on citizens not knowing that what the police are doing is wrong. It's also difficult due to the "thin blue line" BS where cops are elevated above the rest of society.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Miner49er »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is.

> We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist.

There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by 101404 »

JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Not even when your country murdered half a million Iraqis?

Or when your country continuously murders thousands of innocent people with "drone strikes" for more than a decade already?

Or is that nothing to "feel ashamed" about, because those murdered victims were not "American citizens"?

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