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Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Telegram is such an underappreciated platform. It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. The have an API ind both official and unofficial clients for almost all platforms, including command line and native, non-electron Windows (UWP). The client API is not easy to use, as crypto and similar features are involved…

> Telegram is such an underappreciated platform. Seriously, that's how I feel whenever someone asks me for my WhatsApp number (no, I don't use WhatsApp, and there's nothing called a WhatsApp number) or asks me about Facebook Messenger. Great UX, fast and new features added at a pace that puts other chat platforms to shame. [I won't talk about the security aspect in this comment, since it has been rehashed many times…

A WhatsApp number would be the phone number to which a user has tied their WhatsApp, for cases in which users have multiple phones and multiple phone numbers, not all of which are accessible beyond SMS.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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post #16

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> It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly Telegram still has no E2E encryption by default and their official desktop client dont have it either. So it's worth nothing if no one use it. It's not that I have much trust into proprietary fb code, but there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there.

> there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there With significantly worse UX. > still has no E2E encryption by default This doesn't make it not reasonably secure in my mind. While the TG people will be able to access your messages, they can also process them, making stuff like large groups even possible (imagine the distribution hell otherwise). I do tend to think that there's not much of a down side to E2E f…

> This doesn't make it not reasonably secure in my mind. While the TG people will be able to access your messages, they can also process them, making stuff like large groups even possible (imagine the distribution hell otherwise).

So your standard for “reasonably secure” communications is Facebook Messenger?

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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post #16

Telegram is such an underappreciated platform. It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. The have an API ind both official and unofficial clients for almost all platforms, including command line and native, non-electron Windows (UWP). The client API is not easy to use, as crypto and similar features are involved…

> It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly Telegram still has no E2E encryption by default and their official desktop client dont have it either. So it's worth nothing if no one use it. It's not that I have much trust into proprietary fb code, but there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there.

But e.g. signal don't have the feature where either party of a conversation can delete messages on both phones. This is possible with telegrams secret chat. And its great.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Telegram is such an underappreciated platform. It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. The have an API ind both official and unofficial clients for almost all platforms, including command line and native, non-electron Windows (UWP). The client API is not easy to use, as crypto and similar features are involved…

Privacy-wise Whatsapp is probably better due to E2E.

How do you know it has E2E? The app itself is closed source. As far as anyone is concerned, it's all claims. How do they handle the private keys, for example? Any backdoor?

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Telegram is such an underappreciated platform. It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. The have an API ind both official and unofficial clients for almost all platforms, including command line and native, non-electron Windows (UWP). The client API is not easy to use, as crypto and similar features are involved…

> is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. Welp, there is a lot of discussion around these claims. But we are also on Telegram, mostly because I'm using their API for our Home-Assistant instance to deliver status updates (left the bathroom window open for too long, weather-forecast on the morning and evening for the next 3 days). I like it.

Sorry if it’s off-topic but how does it know if the bathroom window open or not? Did you build some kind of device and connect it to the home assistant?

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. Welp, there is a lot of discussion around these claims. But we are also on Telegram, mostly because I'm using their API for our Home-Assistant instance to deliver status updates (left the bathroom window open for too long, weather-forecast on the morning and evening for the next 3 days). I like it.

Sorry if it’s off-topic but how does it know if the bathroom window open or not? Did you build some kind of device and connect it to the home assistant?

You can easily integrate Zigbee devices. The Aqara or Xiaomi door/window sensors for example are cheap and pretty nice.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is reasonably privacy-friendly, more so than fb/whatsapp/etc, but not enough to sacrifice features or UX. Welp, there is a lot of discussion around these claims. But we are also on Telegram, mostly because I'm using their API for our Home-Assistant instance to deliver status updates (left the bathroom window open for too long, weather-forecast on the morning and evening for the next 3 days). I like it.

Sorry if it’s off-topic but how does it know if the bathroom window open or not? Did you build some kind of device and connect it to the home assistant?

I'm happy to answer. :)

I'm using a ready-made sensor for this. It's the same system I'm using for temperature and humidty measurement. It's proprietary [0], but someone reverse engineered it [1], so I can send the data via MQTT to home-assistent. I then wrote an automation using Node-RED. It get's triggered when the window opens. After an initial timeout of five minutes, it will compare the inside temperature and humidity with the outside temperature and humidty, and decide if it should wait another five minutes or fire off a notification. If you close the window before, it will stop everything and reset itself.

[0]: https://mobile-alerts.eu/ [1]: https://github.com/sarnau/MMMMobileAlerts

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Why doesn't AWS SES allow generating receiving addresses without giving a domain, like `@inbound.ses.amazonaws.com` or something - there wouldn't be a reputational risk if it was incoming only right? That would be awesome.

(The more common use case might be 'contact us' forms, for example, where you want to accept something as an email, but the address isn't user-facing so doesn't need a domain.)

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly Telegram still has no E2E encryption by default and their official desktop client dont have it either. So it's worth nothing if no one use it. It's not that I have much trust into proprietary fb code, but there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there.

But e.g. signal don't have the feature where either party of a conversation can delete messages on both phones. This is possible with telegrams secret chat. And its great.

Signal has disappearing messages for this use case. Not the same but the crypto in Signal is so much better (and permanently enabled) it’s hard to argue that Telegram is more secure.
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