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Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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Your comment does not make any sense to me. Are we talking about the same thing? A snippet is a summary of the page served by the search engine. The publisher currently does not have any idea that a particular user has seen a snippet, so publishers do "know the same amount" as they did before with AMP, which is nothing. > Is that how you feel about regular search results? Regular search results have snippets.

I'm sorry that you were having difficulty interpreting my comment. It may help if you go back and note that I was making a distinction between using AMP to consume content vs search for it. Publishers normally know when their content is being consumed. Let me know if that makes sense to you. >Regular search results have snippets. Right, and I was asking about the search results, not the snippets that accompany them.…

> Publishers normally know when their content is being consumed.

They still know when their content is being consumed. They just don't know when their content is being searched for until the user clicks their link, exactly like a snippet. Does that make sense now? My point was that search engines already show cached portions of the page. Read the parent comment of my first "snippet" comment to understand why I was making that point.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#532

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When you search for a term on Google.com, should that load request HTTP assets from multiple potentially-untrusted third parties?

If that best matches my query, then yes.

If a result matches your query, you would like the publisher to know even if the user never clicks on the result? Reread GP's comment.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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Fined ≠ "smacked." To Google, EU fines are just a cost of doing business. Like FedEx eating parking tickets. Until Google is fined to a degree that it impacts its share price, nothing will change.

All of the 3 big antitrust cases with fines the parent linked to resulted in Google changing their practices. So IMHO "nothing will change" does not seem right.

If Google had truly changed, this topic wouldn't come up over and over again.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#534

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Sadly, Ublock Origin is literally the only Firefox extension available on Android atm.

Not quite literal: It's recently up to 6 addons -- the others are https everywhere, privacy badger, noscript, dark reader, and search by image. Note to others: this is about the upcoming rewrite, available as Firefox Preview and Firefox Beta.

Firefox Beta and Firefox Preview are a bit different. Preview and Focus are both currently a bit more experimental, they're stable but they're not guaranteed to be kept alive. Firefox Beta and Nightly are both the current latest versions of what will be merged into the stable.

There's a big rewrite being done and the current stable Firefox for Android which supports basically all addons that the desktop version does, will be deprecated soon-ish. Preview has a broader support.

Beta and Nightly only support uBlock Origin, literally.

Preview supports six addons in all, but Preview isn't a promise of whats to come as they consider it a pilot.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#535

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This month? https://gist.github.com/iansltx/18caf551baaa60b79206#gistcom...

The only issue there is developers not being able to keep up with the rapid pace at which Safari is still strengthening privacy protection even in the middle of a pandemic, as far as I can tell. Blocking third party cookies by default and requiring requests for storage access all sounds great.

Here's the code to keep your iframe from being abused:

    window.onmessage = function(e) {
      if (
        /^https?:\/\/((subdomain)\.)?mysite.com/.test(e.origin) === false
      ) {
        console.error("Access: No auth");
        return;
      }
    }
If you could specify what the benefit over this approach is, I'd appreciate knowing.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

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post #363

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I wrote an extension to "unamp" the website of a popular Italian newspaper and as soon it reached a thousand users Google banned it and forced Firefox to do the same (shame on you Firefox) So I guess worse is better we are supposed to accept it or else they'll police us into accepting it.

Can you share more details?

The extension was very simple, it just displayed the content for pages protected by a paywall by changing the display attribute.

To be clear, they use amp to serve pages in the protected area, but the protected content is served in the body of the page, inside an AMP-APP tag, but simply hidden.

The code is few lines long, it could have been one line, but it has to unwrap the shadow dom.

I made it for myself, but then friends started asking for it so I published it on Firefox's extension store and later on on the Chrome's one.

It's been there for a couple of years, nobody complained, I even emailed the newspaper several times to warn them about the "bug" but they never replied back.

It has never been very popular, especially outside Italy, it had around a thousand of installations and about 900 daily users, but on March this year I received a copyright infringement notice from Google, even though Google has no rights on the newspaper's content.

They removed the extension right away and banned me from re-uploading it.

I tried to reach their support many times, never heard back from them.

A few days later Firefox removed the extension as well saying Google contacted them about the copyright infringement.

As of today after at least a dozen emails I haven't been able to speak to a human being.

I don't mind much, I still use it on my systems and it still works even on Firefox mobile (for now)

I tried to upload it under a different name, but apparently I'm forbidden from publishing it again.

Weird detail: the day after Firefox removed it I've been contacted on the email I used to register on Firefox dev website asking me if I wanted to sell the extension.

The newspaper website is https://www.repubblica.it

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#537
post #280

I understand the objections to Google's actions--this is clearly a dick move which is terrible for both users and content creators--but I'm not understanding the AMP hate here. As a user, AMP is great. AMP is a better implementation of the open web than HTML is. It's a (usually) self-contained document that isn't tightly coupled to the server it came from. You can download an AMP document, render it, attach it to an…

> AMP is a better implementation of the open web than HTML is. Except the results of AMP can be done without AMP. It just requires site owners to not put a bunch of crap on the site. Something that AMP requires you to do. > You can download an AMP document, render it, etc., without having to log in or get tracked Except for the fact that now only Google tracks you. Also, doable without AMP. The hate from many isn't a…

> Except the results of AMP can be done without AMP. It just requires site owners to not put a bunch of crap on the site. Something that AMP requires you to do.

Sure, you can build self-contained HTML pages, but you don't have any way of indicating to browsers or search engines that what you've created can be consumed in that way.

> The hate from many isn't about being a website owner. It's about being a website user. When I click on a link of a website, I expect to go to that website. Not stay on Google's site.

That's a great objection to Google not linking to the original site.

It's not an objection to AMP. Nothing about AMP prevents Google from linking to the original site.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#538
post #509

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The AMP team doesn't prefer these URLs shared either: If you click the browser share icon, or trigger the browser native share intent, the origin URL will be shared, not the AMP Cache URL. Only if you explicitly copy the URL bar will the AMP Cache URL be shared. The Signed Exchange spec that AMP has offered sites for a year now allows them to have their own URLs displayed in browsers that support it. In that case, th…

That's really quite useless. I rarely share links by clicking weird "share link" buttons. I usually have half a message already composed in mail/messages/slack, and I just want to cmd-L cmd-C in the browser and cmd-V in the message I'm writing. Also, "the google.com URL will never be displayed" is a world with an internet I don't want to be a part of.

Google never displays AMP documents on desktop (sans mobile emulation), this won't be an issue.

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#539

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The AMP team doesn't prefer these URLs shared either: If you click the browser share icon, or trigger the browser native share intent, the origin URL will be shared, not the AMP Cache URL. Only if you explicitly copy the URL bar will the AMP Cache URL be shared. The Signed Exchange spec that AMP has offered sites for a year now allows them to have their own URLs displayed in browsers that support it. In that case, th…

If someone wants to detect whether a website is using amp, what would be a good way to do it?

It's more of a question of if a specific document is using AMP, the site can be a mix. Just like a site using jquery as an example.

An AMP page can be identified by examining only the first few bytes of the HTML. The `` tag will contain either the `amp` or lighting-bolt emoji attribute, ie: ``.

Technically an AMP document must pass AMP Validation to be truly AMP, so there are documents that match the above condition which aren't valid AMP. There are multiple ways to validate. A starting place is https://validator.amp.dev/

Re: Google no longer providing original URL in AMP for image search results

#540

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DevKoala, I don't think you may realize how much of your online activity is already tracked by google / facebook / instagram. Google's javascript is everywhere, including explicit tracking with analytics, and lots of CDN loads for endless lists of things (js libraries, fonts etc). Their properties also track you, google search, youtube, email. They also make software you might use (chome / android / google maps / goo…

I work in ad tech, with years of experience doing identification and targeting. I understand exactly what is happening. I wrote a reply to joshuamorton were I expressed my concerns.

Just realize that AWS / GCP / Azure have already gobbled up vast swaths of website hosting in all forms and are growing along with some free CDN and DNS providers.

If google said, we want to track people, and brings android, chrome, dns resolvers, network infrastructure, google cloud compute, AI systems, google analytics which these media sites voluntarily, google play services etc to target and track you - they probably could.

EVERY single person (including you) who claim they don't use google, if you dig down, they often are lying and do. And if you don't, some of the people you email or interact with do, so indirect profiles can be built.

AMP solved a need for a lot of users, which is the janky, slow ad filled websites that media sites in particular had become. So there is an actual end user reason people like AMP - it's a better user experience in many cases. This is where AMP is ruining the web gets hard to support. For most folks they don't perceive they are giving up a lot more in terms of privacy, and they are getting a lot.

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