U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race
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U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race
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#2Now is the time for us to start doing the hard work to make police accountability happen. Getting public records data accessible is a way to make good progress toward this.
450+ of us are working on a new project called the Police Data Accessibility project, aimed at making local court record data (which contains cop/department level data) accessible outside of clunky county court records websites. More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/gr11aw/i_think_i_a...
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#3the data looks pretty reasonable IMO. It’s not as big of a difference as I would expect.
Also, noticeably missing asians, native american, middle eastern data.
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#4Is there any source for this data normalized per police interaction? Basically I want to know where in the process the issue starts. Are non-whites stopped/harassed more by the police so they get into more altercations that lead to shooting/death or are police just more likely to shoot non-whites? The difference makes a huge change at what level the issue should be addressed at.
Also comparing the rate of shooting to deaths would also be nice to see if there is an issue of care after a shootout.
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#5the data looks pretty reasonable IMO. It’s not as big of a difference as I would expect. Also, noticeably missing asians, native american, middle eastern data.
Two and a half times as likely to be killed by police doesn't seem that bad to you?
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#6Now is the time for us to start doing the hard work to make police accountability happen. Getting public records data accessible is a way to make good progress toward this. 450+ of us are working on a new project called the Police Data Accessibility project, aimed at making local court record data (which contains cop/department level data) accessible outside of clunky county court records websites. More info here: ht…
Step one: Demilitarize the police.
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#7the data looks pretty reasonable IMO. It’s not as big of a difference as I would expect. Also, noticeably missing asians, native american, middle eastern data.
Two and a half times as likely to be killed by police doesn't seem that bad to you?
If they're twice more likely to be committing crimes then it would explain it.
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#8Now do one for people who aren't police, maybe that will help explain why these numbers are the way they are
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#9the data looks pretty reasonable IMO. It’s not as big of a difference as I would expect. Also, noticeably missing asians, native american, middle eastern data.
Two and a half times as likely to be killed by police doesn't seem that bad to you?
The ratio may align with the ratio of underling rates of crime and violence by ethnicity.
This means the 'root cause' of that 2.5x multiple may necessarily be 'cops are shooting blacks at an arbitrarily greater rate', rather, cops may very well be shooting criminals in a rate somewhat commensurate with necessity given rates of altercations.
Which would imply the 'cause' is one step away, i.e. whatever is 'causing' people of different groups to commit more or less crime.
This is the very obvious and problematic issue with reporting such a statistic without context, that even smart people will be utterly misled.
There are 330M Americans, a Billion guns, an inherently aggressive population, there's a 100% chance that people are going to die in awkward situations, it doesn't mean that there's a deeply racist police force.
Case and point: in this very Minnesota incident, one of the officers was White, one Black and one Asian (!!) this is a seriously 'Multicultural' gang of dudes that will be up on charges.
The argument was made back in the 1980s that 'mostly white cops' was the 'problem' in dealing with communities that didn't look like them, but in 2020 we actually have police forces that largely represent the people they police and yet we still have a lot of problems (though fewer).
Almost every story and every bit of data is 'taken out of context' it's almost as though the whole can of worms needs to be opened each time there is serious reporting.
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#10the data looks pretty reasonable IMO. It’s not as big of a difference as I would expect. Also, noticeably missing asians, native american, middle eastern data.
Two and a half times as likely to be killed by police doesn't seem that bad to you?
The real question is "why is that?". Do blacks tend to get into more altercations with police, is it systemic racism, both?
Without further investigation, this graph can bait people into jumping to misinformed conclusions.
Furthermore, the site states: > black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that’s over twice as high as for white Americans.
Yet they also account for over 50% of crimes in the U.S [0]. Like I said, ask questions, don't just look at a graph and raise pitchforks.
[0]: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...