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Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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I feel like there is too much love/worship around here for LaTeX, despite concerns like it being not a good master format, and it mixing logical and physical formatting together.

But I do think that Markdown/Asciidoc is a viable system for very many tasks.

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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I have such a love-hate relationship with Latex. I use it almost every day. I love how easy it is to write beautiful math, and how easy it is to organize well large documents. It's fast (in general). And, thank god, there are lots of information online. But boy do I hate the whole semi-broken macro-based system. The package management feels so outdated. Errors are hard to decipher. Package documentation is there but…

> Errors are hard to decipher.

Have you tried adding the `-file-line-error` compilation option? The errors are still unreadable, but they become 1000% easier to debug.

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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I wonder about that. I don't know word well enough at all to accomplish the same things I do in latex. But I know it can do a lot of those things. I assume it would be similar if I knew as much about word as I do about latex. But there's no way of knowing, as I am not going to learn word without a much better reason than "i wonder if it's actually terrible to write 150 pages when you know how to use it."

While Word has evolved to do many of the things that were exclusive to LaTeX at one point, the problem is that Word is not extensible. When you hit a wall in Word, that’s it — you have no options. In LaTeX you can pretty much always figure out how to do what you want to do, even if it takes learning a fair bit about the packages, and if you don’t want to spend that kind of time you can almost always find relevant inf…

Either that changed, or you are technically incorrect. Word is heavily extensible through OLE. You can probably even embed a live ConvNet or a 3D physical simulation in a document. Hell, that was mentioned in Windows 95 book I read as a kid. They used to call it "multimedia".

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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LaTeX is a bit like democracy. It is horrible, but all the alternatives I have tried a worse.

Gosh yeah. Imagine writing a 150+ pages thesis in Word. Would give me nightmares. EDIT: To complement: I think it's obviously possible, lots of people do it. But I feel I would spend a lot of time on "keeping the structure right" as I edit it. Feels more straightforward with Latex. And then Math is kind of hard to write efficiently, but that's field specific.

I only needed a single dose of 'Word has decided to move every single image, table and textbox all on top of each other at the very beginning of the document for no apparent reason' before I vowed never to use Word for anything important or complicated.

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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Considering what "modernizing" other parts of the tech stack has meant, I would expect a 21st century LaTeX to be hundreds of megabytes, require running a buggy, slow electron app, and phone home to a variety of SaaS providers when you use it. Edit: Someone beat me to it by suggesting VSCode as an IDE.

Hundreds of megabytes would be a considerable improvement for me. I think my last installation of LaTeX and the few packages I depended on was around two gigabytes.

I think you are confusing RAM with storage.

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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Considering what "modernizing" other parts of the tech stack has meant, I would expect a 21st century LaTeX to be hundreds of megabytes, require running a buggy, slow electron app, and phone home to a variety of SaaS providers when you use it. Edit: Someone beat me to it by suggesting VSCode as an IDE.

Hundreds of megabytes would be a considerable improvement for me. I think my last installation of LaTeX and the few packages I depended on was around two gigabytes.

And it's already slow and needs to run multiple times to generate a table of contents and bibtex

Edit: phone autocomplete typo

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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Hey everyone! Thread author here. Happy to see so many people taking an interest in beautiful scientific communication!

If anyone has other examples of beautiful typography or graphing/figures throughout history, I'd love to see them! I've been replying to the original thread on twitter with some favorites: https://twitter.com/iraphas13/status/1262489387767480322?s=2...

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

#38
A fun little fact from the wikipedia page[0].

> Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX

Re: Have you ever asked yourself “how did research get done before LateX?”

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I have such a love-hate relationship with Latex. I use it almost every day. I love how easy it is to write beautiful math, and how easy it is to organize well large documents. It's fast (in general). And, thank god, there are lots of information online. But boy do I hate the whole semi-broken macro-based system. The package management feels so outdated. Errors are hard to decipher. Package documentation is there but…

There is also Plain TeX. Many scientists use LaTeX; a few people (including myself) use Plain TeX. (At least, I find Plain TeX less confusing.)
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