Hi, just wanted to chime in and ask a question. Wouldn't MS (or any company for that matter) get in legal trouble for endorsing/crediting a developer who has a history of making software that uses/manages pirated content? The software I'm talking about is Sonarr, and it’s made by Keivan himself. I'm not aware of the legalities here, so asking.
The Day AppGet Died
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It’s mentioned in the article: “ the core mechanics, terminology, the manifest format and structure, even the package repository’s folder structure” The manifest format is particularly egregious.
Not disagreeing with you, but I think it's better to make it a little bit more clear what exactly was copied. Reading the article mentioned in the OP, the main selling point for appget seems to be that the packages are written in yaml: > Do you want to know how Microsoft WinGet works? go read the article ( https://keivan.io/appget-what-chocolatey-wasnt/ ) But that alone doesn't particularly strike me as a completely…
The PR value to Microsoft of making him whole, and of reinforcing the impression of a newly ethical and positive force in the community, would have positively dwarfed the fraction of a rounding error it would have cost to do so. This was such a no-brainer that it's malpractice on somebody's part to have let it come to this. It doesn't matter that they're within their rights under the Apache license. Banal, tone-deaf, emergent corporate amorality shouldn't be the touchstone of the new Microsoft.
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#463AGPL-3.0 is a great thing.
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#464I know this might be unpopular with OSS idealists, but I wonder if it might be time for a new license, or indeed if there are already (small 'o') open source licenses that would help with this sort of things. What I'm thinking of is a license almost identical to the MIT and/or Apache 2.0 license, but with a clause that prohibits mega-corps from wholesale rebranding and using your code. I have a few OSS projects mysel…
Wouldn’t that be GPL?
No, of course not.
But the viral nature of GPL and the notion of "derived works" may be of some use here.
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#465Embrace, extend, and extinguish.
Microsoft being Microsoft. Some things never change.
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Reducing this down to a Microsoft thing is a bit hasty. Apple has done it. IBM has done it. And, when I was working for a less well-known company, I once burned a whole lot of social capital trying to prevent it from happening. At least in that instance, there was never anything overtly malicious happening. It was just your garden variety "banality of evil" situation. The existing corporate decision-making structures…
It's not even American. I can easily imagine it happening in any large company. This "Andrew" is isolated from everything by multiple levels of bureaucracy and regulations. Even if he wanted to make right, he would've just burned his accumulated clout it vain. Hire as a contractor? No matching position. Write a check? No such budget line item. Give a shout-out? Leave marketing to the marketing dept.
Exactly. He couldn't even give a line item credit because Legal would step in with a barrage of concerns compelling management to remove it.
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Considering the fact that there are five times as many Android devices as Windows devices, and the greater ease of use of Termux compared to WSL. I find that highly unlikely. Anecdotally every newbie programmer I've seen try to use WSL has just ended up installing Linux in frustration.
Termux is a terminal emulator, WSL is a subsystem. Did you try [0]? And WSL2? It's pretty compelling, I predict they will pull in a lot of Apple (who use it for the terminal) devs and make a lot of Windows first devs very happy. And there are a lot. Btw, am I downvoted because my original comment in not constructive or do people not agree with me? [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk...
Termux is a lot more than just a terminal emulator.
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Honestly the tech innovation of AppGet while good, isn't something groundbreaking. Manifests have been used by other package managers in the past. Yes it's stinks he didn't get more credit, but IMO it's blown out of proportion.
Microsoft shill
Did you spend time to look at the architecture he created with AppGet?
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#469Author here, Because it's sure to come up here is a comment I wrote on Reddit that clarifies somethings, I haven't updated the original article since I'm not sure what the etiquette for updating a highly shared article is. ------ Code being copied isn't an issue. I knew full well what it meant to release something opensource and I don't regret it one bit. What was copied with no credit is the foundation of the projec…
It would appear that you have been 'Sherlocked' ( https://www.howtogeek.com/297651/what-does-it-mean-when-a-co... ) but by Microsoft. Looks like all the bigger companies are doing this now.
> but by Microsoft
Microsoft all but invented the practice at the 90's.
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> Calling it "WinGet" was the real punch in the gut. I feel for the guy, but someone who called their package manager "app get" in 2014 when "apt get" has existed for since 1998 is in no position to take umbrage at a competing package manager having a six-letter name ending in get.
How does AppGet compete with apt-get?
It doesn't, but the name is too similar to apt-get. It's a naming issue.