At your discretion, how did you land this Patrick? Perhaps this can be better answered on your blog, but did the NYT contact you after coming across your article? Original article submission: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2319629
He commented earlier on HN that lots of people from the news media had been contacting him. Here's a link to what he said: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2330783
Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
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Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#12I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
I am at loss to explain this in a way that does not sound callous. Just be assured that these things are perceived in a cyclic manner by the public. Right now, and for the next few months, the MSM and the mob has decided that it is time to panic, rant and rave.
That's fine. It's a terrible disaster, and our minds are ill-suited to deal with anything of this scale. My heart goes out to the Japanese and I'll do anything I can do to help. At the same time, however, it's not a very productive attitude to sit around moaning and talking about how terrible things are. Everybody doesn't have to follow the mob and feel exactly the "right" way that you or I think that they should. Conforming to some black-and-white, over-the-top view of the world is an indulgence that we can have because we are so far away. The Japanese have work to do, and that involves taking an honest look around and reminding themselves that there is a huge amount of stuff that is not broken.
I enjoy contrarian articles - both writing them and reading them -- because it reminds me how easy it is to cut corners and go from "horrible disaster" to "all is lost!" Crowds always overreact, and the media tries their damnedest to make money off of this phenomenon. Quite frankly it's digusting. I don't know what's worse, watching this disaster slowly unfold or watching the news outlets "break" news every few minutes and do their best to rehash old stories with a sense of forboding and panic. blech.
So until you live 300 miles from a disaster like that, you might want to cut Patio11 a bit of slack. Hell, even if you live in the middle of it, you might want to cut him some slack, because getting along with each other is the right thing to do. Let people deal with things in the way that they are best suited. A little more understanding and a little less attitude.
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#13"Japan nuclear crisis: radiation levels stop helicopter from dumping water." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8385559...
Unmanned K-MAX helicopter achieves airdrop milestones http://www.gizmag.com/k-max-unmanned-helicopter-milestones/1...
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#14I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
Japan has a population of ~ 300 million and is one of the most advanced and wealthiest nations on Earth. I am sure those affected need help but what makes you think others can provide help better/faster then Japan itself can? Perhaps the US navy has lifting capacity that Japan could use, but what else?
127 million according to Wikipedia.
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#15I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
Japan has a population of ~ 300 million and is one of the most advanced and wealthiest nations on Earth. I am sure those affected need help but what makes you think others can provide help better/faster then Japan itself can? Perhaps the US navy has lifting capacity that Japan could use, but what else?
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#16Japanese citizens need our help, on a massive scale.
The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid.
I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, even with all those development dollars, a $50 gift can completely transform an individual's life. I've seen it happen.
If your house, your church, your community, and much of your extended family has been annihilated, and you're rebuilding your life from scratch, then you need our help, no matter how well-equipped your government is.
Please give, and give generously.
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#17I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
Help volunteering isn't free (even ignoring the cost). It requires coordination and organization of where and how to allocate resources, which must be inserted into the existing plans. It diverting supplies that could go to displaced people in order to sustain the volunteers trying to help them. In many cases, it requires training, which takes away time from the people with skills that can be immediately applied.
Patio11's contention, which I have no expert opinion about but I'm willing to take him at face-value, is that the overhead required to extract value from a volunteer off the streets is greater than the value extracted. The Japanese need more help, but people who might be interested in volunteering are ill-suited to give help. A further point implied in the title but not the article is that the military could give humanitarian aide; I would be willing to believe this, as they have their own coordination, supply, and training already in place and would therefore not be a drag on Japan's relief resources.
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#18I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
The question is not whether all is well, or help is needed. The question is whether or not the help that we could provide would be a net benefit, or an overall drag on the existing disaster relief system. Help volunteering isn't free (even ignoring the cost). It requires coordination and organization of where and how to allocate resources, which must be inserted into the existing plans. It diverting supplies that cou…
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#19I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.
>> I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". I don't know that he ever said that they don't need help. One thing he did say is that you are not going to BE much help if you come and don't speak Japanese. ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2318005 ) I appreciate the thought, but it takes $2k to bring you here, which is enough to put an out of work…
Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared
#20I have great respect for Patrick, and usually agree with him, but in this case I think his conclusion is far off-mark. Japanese citizens need our help , on a massive scale. The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid. I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, eve…
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