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U.S. Should Open America’s Doors to Hong Kong’s Citizens

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Re: U.S. Should Open America’s Doors to Hong Kong’s Citizens

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Post by bmy78 »

mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

It's easy to say that when you're afforded the comforts of a Western democracy.

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Post by gambiting »

mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

As a citizen of a country that was invaded and taken apart multiple times in the last 200 years(Poland) - no, that's a very noble idea, but in practice that doesn't always work. Poland has survived in the shape that it is mostly because people were able to move and cultivate the Polish language, culture and heritage elsewhere temporarily. We even had a government-in-exile for a while in London, at the time when Poland was literally wiped off the map of Europe and just didn't exist any more, except in peoples' minds. I can't imagine my country would exist at all if other countries had your approach - just piss off and if you want to exist then go and fight. Sometimes this requires time, not grabbing swords and fighting.

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Post by petermcneeley »

mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

Even America was created by people fleeing England and then breaking it off from the British empire (using a violent uprising). They didnt fix England.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

> citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country

I’ve never understood the place-over-people mentality. The rights Hong Kong is fighting for exist overseas. The people can keep their culture and spend their lives thriving in America, or stay put and fight what looks to be a losing battle against Beijing for the rest of their lives.

Nobody would force anyone to emigrate. All that’s proposed is a choice. If you can’t convince your countrymen to stay and fight, you don’t have a legitimate fight.

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Post by phkahler »

monkeyfacebag wrote: post #6
mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

Do you feel similarly about the citizens of North Korea?

Not really the same situation in NK. But also the U.S. became what it is through standing up to the Brits. This goes for people too, at some point we all need to stand on our own. The U.S. isn't the worlds parent to run home to.

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Post by victords »

mcfly1985 wrote: post #4

Um, no? At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better? The citizens of Hong Kong need to stay and fight for the rights they desire, not run away to another country.

> At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for changing it for the better?

And how would they do that?

The HK citizens by themselves will not win this fight, the writing is on the wall. They either get help from abroad or flee.

It's naive to think that a region with a population of less than 10mi will make China backdown, considering China's history.

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Post by bloak »

billme wrote: post #2

Add the UK to that list too.

Yes, perhaps they could come to the UK and protest against the way the British government allows its citizens to be extradited to the USA. The existing British population seems a bit too meek in that respect.
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