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Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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> Can anyone give a tl;dr of what the implications actually are? Were it allowed to be executed, the biggest implication is that the US has become an executive dictatorship where the laws adopted by Congress can be rewritten at whim by the executive (under the pretext of “clarification” that is 180° opposed to both the text and the actual intent of the law demonstrated by the legislative history), and the Constitutio…

You care about that now?? I don’t remember the left up in arms about President Obama’s EOs.

> You care about that now??

Not just now, but yes.

> I don’t remember the left up in arms about President Obama’s EOs

I don't remember Obama issuing an EO directing agencies to issue “clarifying” regulations directly opposed to the text and clearly documented intent of the underlying statute (much less doing so for the express purpose of obstructing private actors exercise of free speech rights in direct retaliation for them not remaining silent about the falsity of Administration claims while actively relaying Administration propaganda containing false claims.) But that's neither here nor there, as I also do remember the left opposing a number of Obama’s executive actions on Constitutional and policy grounds.

(Obama was no great friend of the left, being from the center-right—like all Democratic presidential nominees since at least Clinton, during whose tenure the center-right wing took dominant control of the party).

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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post #189

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Courts aren’t part of the executive branch. Independent judiciary is supposed to mean something...

> Courts aren’t part of the executive branch. Correct but irrelevant. I can tell people things over whom I don't have directive authority. “Clarifying” regulations are exactly the executive telling the courts how the law should be interpreted. Courts can disregard them (and, in principle, will if they don't find them the issuing agency to have been empowered to enforce the law and thereby entrusted with that interpre…

No.

EOs tell the EXECUTIVE BRANCH how to enforce laws.

They do not tell the courts how to interpret them.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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post #188

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You care about that now?? I don’t remember the left up in arms about President Obama’s EOs.

> You care about that now?? Not just now, but yes. > I don’t remember the left up in arms about President Obama’s EOs I don't remember Obama issuing an EO directing agencies to issue “clarifying” regulations directly opposed to the text and clearly documented intent of the underlying statute (much less doing so for the express purpose of obstructing private actors exercise of free speech rights in direct retaliation…

DACA?

I mean if you think "left" means outright communism, I guess President Obama wasn't quite that far over, but he was certainly not "center" or "center-right" either.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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I particularly like the bit about how a provider is found in violation of "good faith" if they act in violation of their own terms of service, OR, if they restrict access to material after insufficient notice, unreasoned explanation, or acting against a user who has not had a "meaningful opportunity to be heard." Not being facetious, I really like it. Everyone should start by mass-complaining to the White House's rep…

Why would you report the ability to hide replies? If someone replies to my tweet with something I don’t like, what’s wrong with me hiding the reply? It’s a lesser end result than blocking someone. I’m not obligated to platform your opinion on my post.

See that's the thing, it's not your post. It's all public.

Twitter does not have private posts like Facebook does, nor does this change purport to make such a thing. Its design is specifically to allow people to amplify their own personal echo chamber, and pre-silence disagreement.

The UI designer (hired from Facebook) who created the tool defended it with the notion that people should "want to watch people they admire have conversations" (his words).

That's not social interaction, that's television. A one way communication medium in which the screen tells the observer what to think.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Hacker News has active moderation and would be effectively illegal to operate if you made websites that practice moderation legally responsible for any illegal content posted by their users. If you really believe this is the right path to go down you should stop being a hypocrite and delete your HN account since you clearly believe HN has no right to exist in its current form.

HN does not editorialise and haphazardly censor.

To hear the laments of moderated users, you wouldn't think that. It all depends on whether its your opinion being subjected to any scrutiny.

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post #147

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Hacker News has active moderation and would be effectively illegal to operate if you made websites that practice moderation legally responsible for any illegal content posted by their users. If you really believe this is the right path to go down you should stop being a hypocrite and delete your HN account since you clearly believe HN has no right to exist in its current form.

I support figuring out how to make Hacker News work without active moderation. It's simplistic to assume it can't be done.

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Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Parts of this purported draft look a bit off. That is to say the bits being directed are things private citizens would do rather than what the executive branch itself has the authority to do. As bad as the whole idea sounds this doesn't come off as authentic to me based upon presentation or textual structure. Why is he suddenly giving direct orders to the Federal Trade Commission but separately directing a sub-cabinet agency at Commerce to file a Petition for Rulemaking with the Federal Communications Commission? That's where this starts to get inconsistent.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Parts of this purported draft look a bit off. That is to say the bits being directed are things private citizens would do rather than what the executive branch itself has the authority to do. As bad as the whole idea sounds this doesn't come off as authentic to me based upon presentation or textual structure. Why is he suddenly giving direct orders to the Federal Trade Commission but separately directing a sub-cabine…

This order was hastily drafted by White House staff to soothe a temper tantrum the President had after a day of being extremely online. Why would you expect it to be anything but sloppy and inconsistent?

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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If I am to believe the poster, this is a draft of an Executive Order anonymously sent to her. As per: https://twitter.com/klonick/status/1265850206396076033?s=21 The implications are fairly dramatic if this is legitimate and were to be adopted / executed. Specifically it would declare that sites like Twitter and Facebook are subject to the Communications Decency Act by virtue of their editorializing the content vs ac…

Akin to banning cigarette advertising, this will free up many millions in the war against misinformation. Would absolve Twitter from any future calls for debunking/censorship. Can't wait to see it enacted.

A 3 month old account that only posts in threads about Trump and/or Social Media (Facebook, et al).

Someone's low effort shill account. Come on buddy, the good shill accounts are years old and have longer, more obfuscating post histories.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Akin to banning cigarette advertising, this will free up many millions in the war against misinformation. Would absolve Twitter from any future calls for debunking/censorship. Can't wait to see it enacted.

A 3 month old account that only posts in threads about Trump and/or Social Media (Facebook, et al). Someone's low effort shill account. Come on buddy, the good shill accounts are years old and have longer, more obfuscating post histories.

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Let's not ruin the HN comments by introducing this type of language.

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