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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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At this point, I would much rather use any x86 based laptop instead. Their price-to-performance ratio's have significantly increased since the first RPI was introduced and for a 100$, you get a much better package. So, unless the ARM ecosystem grows to allow for pluggable, extensible and better performing solutions than the latest entry-level celeron or ryzen based systems, I am no longer investing into it.

For certain applications, the form factor and power usage are both relevant. So if you really need a small low power computer at that price point, you don't have a ton of options (although there's always the RockPro64 [0]).

Once any of those requirements is loosened the other options start to look way better. So if you want a low power ARM computer and aren't concerned with the size as much, you can always get an old used Chromebook instead - which is well worth the money, but only IF you need any of the extra stuff it comes with (monitor/keyboard/mouse/battery/storage/camera/etc etc...). If you just want raw compute, then you can just buy an old x86 box like you say, but that will cost you in power and size.

I think some people just like to tinker on these little gizmos specifically, though. You read blog posts about running Kubernetes on Pis, and the immediate question is "why would you do that rather than just virtualizing stuff on an old x86 box?" The answer is really just "well, it's fun to work with little computers" which is presumably a factor for a lot of people.

[0] https://store.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-4gb-single-board...

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #151

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Why not just continue to use the 2015 13" rMBP? It outclasses a Raspi + Nexdoc in every way I can think of, and if you still have it it's free :D Since 2015s doesn't have the T2 nonsense and you were fine with linux on the rpi and there's no T2 stopping you, then you can just wipe it and install what you want.

Also the 2015 13" rMBP is still a great design even today.

I may have been a little biased in trying to sway OP, as I still have a 2015 15" which I plan to use until it dies or I do.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

Interesting thought - how do you plan to power the Pi? seems this would more be a 'portable' than a 'laptop' Also - there is the 'pi top' kit if that suits your fancy.

Raspberry Pi 4s are powered via USB C PD. You can buy 50 Wh USB C PD battery bricks for $20 (or 100 Wh for $40). RPi4s pull between 2 W and 5 W, so you’re looking at a long, long battery life with a cheap travel battery.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

This is one thing I always appreciated more about the BeagleBone but the Pi being more popular I've gone with it as my main SBC of choice for obvious reasons. The Pi has always been cheaper as well.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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For folks considering running 64-bit on the pi - I don’t think you need 64-bit userland. I’ve been running a 64-bit kernel on my pi with 32-bit userland perfectly fine. The few things that actually need 64-bit (I’m looking at you mongo) run in 64-bit mode via docker. That said, I’m not 100% sure how much memory overhead I have in this setup vs just running the 64-bit userland. Technically there’s a very interesting “…

I bought a 4gb Pi4 today, got the shipping confirmation email from the supplier, then straight away got another email from the same supplier launching sales of the 8gb one... talk about timing.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Could this be fixed by setting aside a few gb of RAM for a virtual RAM drive, and run the OS from there?

I've gone for an SSD over USB3, and get good performance - though RAMdisk would certainly be faster still and feasible with 8GB.

Running from RAM would also be great for having an effectively static system -- just reboot to get a clean slate; the hardware storage needn't even be available after boot.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Question from a non-technical person. I've been reading a lot about tiny websites on HN (e.g. https://bearblog.dev ). Can we use these Raspberry Pis to host them? Are they performant enough? Is setting things up newbie-friendly? Having your own little corner on the internet that no one can shut down sounds pretty cool.

They are completely performant enough to serve small static websites, if you have low traffic (it should be confortable with a few connections per second).

I think another limiting factor to look at is your upload bandwith. If it's too low, then it will saturate and your conection will be very slow. Some ISP provide asymetric bandwith (much higher download than upload), so that's not the best case. If you have fiber, then you're absolutely good to go.

If your blog is featured on HN first-page, then it certainly won't handle the load with a RPI. But for most blogs, it should be enough.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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For folks considering running 64-bit on the pi - I don’t think you need 64-bit userland. I’ve been running a 64-bit kernel on my pi with 32-bit userland perfectly fine. The few things that actually need 64-bit (I’m looking at you mongo) run in 64-bit mode via docker. That said, I’m not 100% sure how much memory overhead I have in this setup vs just running the 64-bit userland. Technically there’s a very interesting “…

Has anyone quantified these performance differences between full 64 bit vs 64 bit OS but 32 bit memory per process? At 8 GiB RAM, allowing a single process to "only" use half of the available RAM really doesn't seem too limiting for most workflows. Especially considering that there's 4 CPU cores. If it's a notable hassle-free performance improvement it seems like a no-brainer for most use cases.

Depending on where the kernel/user memory map split is, each process may only be able to map 1-3GB. Unless things have changed and all mappings share a single address space?

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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If you don't want to think about thermal throttling ever again, get one of these: https://www.seeedstudio.com/ICE-Tower-CPU-Cooling-Fan-for-Ra...

Isn't that overkill? When are we going to start liquid cooling our raspberry pis? I expect someone to tell me that's already a thing....

Of course it is:D

https://hackaday.com/2017/05/15/liquid-cooling-overclocked-r...

https://modmymods.com/water-cooling-kits/raspberry-pi-coolin...

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Question from a non-technical person. I've been reading a lot about tiny websites on HN (e.g. https://bearblog.dev ). Can we use these Raspberry Pis to host them? Are they performant enough? Is setting things up newbie-friendly? Having your own little corner on the internet that no one can shut down sounds pretty cool.

Yes, they are definitely fast enough for simple pages to a few thousand daily visitors. I've hosted dynamic websites from home using much more modest hardware and eventually used a first model Raspberry Pi for it. Eventually I moved my sites to a VPS out of convenience. My ISP can't guarantee a static address with my current plan (although I've found it is static in practice so far), and the additional cost of a plan…

Wow, these replies seem to indicate it's A LOT more effort than i thought!

Nginx? Apache? Cloudflare?

Would be nice if the Raspberry Pi kit comes with IKEA-level instructions to do this as weekend project.

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