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8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Small country, small market. Small market, low supply. Low supply, high prices.

Wasn't the EU single market supposed to fix that?

The EU is a single market, but that doesn't stop all the countries having different languages and consequentely different keyboard layouts. So you are looking in your country, perhaps in a second, which shares your keyboard layout.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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At this point, I would much rather use any x86 based laptop instead. Their price-to-performance ratio's have significantly increased since the first RPI was introduced and for a 100$, you get a much better package. So, unless the ARM ecosystem grows to allow for pluggable, extensible and better performing solutions than the latest entry-level celeron or ryzen based systems, I am no longer investing into it.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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I really wish Microsoft would release a version of Windows 10 (the full version, not IoT) for the Pi 4 so developers could easily test their apps on an actual ARM device. Being able ship a Raspberry Pi 4 preloaded with Windows 10 to developers could bring a huge boost in the number of apps that support Windows on ARM.

What sort of applications do you find the Pi to be lacking? The Pi has been a gateway drug for Ubuntu and CLI applications for me and it hadn't crossed my mind that this could go the other way.

I think the previous poster wasn't writing about applications lacking on the Pi but about having ARM developer devices for Windows 10 developers at a low cost.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

I also read recently that the lack of cooling can really throttle the performance of a Pi4. Do you have a good heat sink and fan installed?

I did an article on the topic after the Pi firmware update made the situation a lot better. A bare Pi is okay without a fan, but if you want it in a case, the Flirc case is your best option (IMO): https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2019/best-way-keep-your-co...

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#135
post #57
post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

I also read recently that the lack of cooling can really throttle the performance of a Pi4. Do you have a good heat sink and fan installed?

With a $10 case/fan combo mine idles around 30c and hits about 60c under load (this is in a room at about 21c). The Pi doesn't start throttling til about 80c

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#136

At this point, I would much rather use any x86 based laptop instead. Their price-to-performance ratio's have significantly increased since the first RPI was introduced and for a 100$, you get a much better package. So, unless the ARM ecosystem grows to allow for pluggable, extensible and better performing solutions than the latest entry-level celeron or ryzen based systems, I am no longer investing into it.

Can you recommend any specific laptops at around that price point that have superior performance? Would these be new or used? And any idea how their power consumption compares to a Raspberry Pi?

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #108

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EDIT - got excited as because I misread and brainfarted GB and Gb and below is what followed - sorry for that folks: Interesting as Samsung developed a 8GB LPDDR4 memory chip back in 2013 - https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-f... Looking at Micron (who probably tickd the box on price to make this happen), they can do 16Gb modules. So that may well happen. However the power aspect as already in…

This is a case where you should read with care, and notice the difference between Gb and GB. The chip from 2013 that you mention, has a capacity of 8Gb = 1GB. Chips with a capacity of 16Gb are indeed very common, because manufactures put 8 of them on a RAM-module with a capacity of 16GB.

Hah, that's weird. I can't say I've ever seen memory being quantified in gibibits before! It's always gibibytes.

You have to wonder why they deviated from what I thought was a universal custom.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of applications do you find the Pi to be lacking? The Pi has been a gateway drug for Ubuntu and CLI applications for me and it hadn't crossed my mind that this could go the other way.

I think the previous poster wasn't writing about applications lacking on the Pi but about having ARM developer devices for Windows 10 developers at a low cost.

Yeah for example the Surface Pro X. It seems to be an amazing device but it needs a bit more software.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#139
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also read recently that the lack of cooling can really throttle the performance of a Pi4. Do you have a good heat sink and fan installed?

I did an article on the topic after the Pi firmware update made the situation a lot better. A bare Pi is okay without a fan, but if you want it in a case, the Flirc case is your best option (IMO): https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2019/best-way-keep-your-co...

Great article, thanks. The Flirc case looks good and for $15 it's an obvious buy.

Having just spent a bit north of $1k on a new CPU, RAM, and mobo for my desktop, I'm having a bit of sticker shock (in a good way) at how low these RPi prices are.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#140

At this point, I would much rather use any x86 based laptop instead. Their price-to-performance ratio's have significantly increased since the first RPI was introduced and for a 100$, you get a much better package. So, unless the ARM ecosystem grows to allow for pluggable, extensible and better performing solutions than the latest entry-level celeron or ryzen based systems, I am no longer investing into it.

Can you recommend any specific laptops at around that price point that have superior performance? Would these be new or used? And any idea how their power consumption compares to a Raspberry Pi?

Ya, I'm really confused. Does the poster want a $75 laptop? That's called a smartphone, and last I looked the operating system and specs are pretty terrible.
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