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8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#91
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I really wish Microsoft would release a version of Windows 10 (the full version, not IoT) for the Pi 4 so developers could easily test their apps on an actual ARM device. Being able ship a Raspberry Pi 4 preloaded with Windows 10 to developers could bring a huge boost in the number of apps that support Windows on ARM.

Someone managed to get it running recently (video is 2 days old):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6qQujk6uU

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was also silently working on it.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#92
post #42

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I don't know where you are in the EU but UK refurbishers constantly sell post-lease desktops and laptops on ebay for around £50, shipping to any EU country is usually £10-20 on top of that, if anything. Like this kind of stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Lenovo-Intel-i3-Dual-Core-i5-Q... Is plentiful and easy to buy, again - ships anywhere in the EU. As for the power consumption - I have to disagree again, I have…

UK is generally an outlier when it comes to the second hand market for some reason. Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example. I am often trawling the UK ebay for tech stuff because it's so much cheaper than Blocket (a craigslist-like) here in Sweden. PS: very very pedantically and technically, UK isn't an EU member any longer. Although there is some limbo period.

> Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example.

I was somewhat intrigued by the use of the term mainland, but it certainly has some debate behind it: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3652/how-to-refe...

Yes second hand cars in the UK are cheaper, factors being that there has been a consumer rise for a while, seeing more second hand cars. This with the island effect makes for dispersal of those second hand goods more curtailed and for example you may be able to get cheaper cars in Germany second hand if the geography curtailed those easily shifting to nearby countries who have had less of a consumer drive.

Which is why my friend in Bulgaria will buy a second hand car in the UK, drive it back, sell it for twice what he paid for it. Then in Bulgaria Walnut wood is about 1/5th of the price of what it demands in the UK. But most opportunities in life are going the extra mile.

Yes UK is still technically an EU member during the transition period. How exporting/importing of cars pans out, well as long as the we don't end up with trade loop-holes - then I'll be happy and by that. Say EU has import tax of 30% on UK cars, new or second hand. Yet no such taxes for imports from say canada. Then the UK has no tax import on cars from UK to canada, so would be possible to export to Europe, via Canada to skirt such import taxes. That kinda thing worries me as environmentally, not good. But could happen.

All I do know though is that the current trade negotiations seem like a Monty Python playbook:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK0cUv3ba-o

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you are in the EU but UK refurbishers constantly sell post-lease desktops and laptops on ebay for around £50, shipping to any EU country is usually £10-20 on top of that, if anything. Like this kind of stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Lenovo-Intel-i3-Dual-Core-i5-Q... Is plentiful and easy to buy, again - ships anywhere in the EU. As for the power consumption - I have to disagree again, I have…

I'm in Austria and second hand systems with an i7/i5, 8Gb RAM and an SSD go for around/over $200 not $85. For $85 I can only find core2duo/quad 4gb RAM and spinning rust so there's no way that is a viable alternative for a RPi. Maybe UK is an outlier or Austria is, I don't know.

> second hand systems with an i7/i5, 8Gb RAM and an SSD go for around/over $200 not $85.

Are you looking for broken screens? If not, $200 sounds reasonable enough to me.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#94
post #70

I am strongly hoping that the 8GB Rpi + NexDock would be a good low cost laptop for web browsing, text editing and terminal. I've been turned off from investing in a new laptop for a variety of reasons: - Apple has made questionable hardware design decisions lately. If Louis Rossmann is to be believed, the T2 chip + secureboot situation is just as bad as the old keyboard situation. It sucks having no say over the har…

Why are you comparing $1000+ laptops to a raspberry pi and a dock? If the raspberry pi meets your needs, consider a much cheaper laptop

Yeah, it's weird to see the comment criticizing the impact of Intel's CPU patches and Ryzen 4000 systems and then talking about using a RPi4 as an alternative. I don't have experience with the RPi4, but in previous versions the CPU and IO performance was terrible compared to even a mid-range laptop, so I assume it still is. If you use the system for any kind of work (even if it's just web browsing), an RPi system is going to have an awful ROI compared to a 'regular' laptop.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#95
post #74

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Unlike you, he owns a repair shop. I’m sure he’s basing his statement on the amount of MacBooks that come his way with a failed T2.

Unlike GP, his life is also about hating Apple in every way possible. Just looking at his YouTube channel for about 4 seconds makes it pretty obvious that he isn't even trying to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFIVZYevfGU - nope... he's fair. That's Louis's list of recommended macbooks.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#96
post #35

I really wish Microsoft would release a version of Windows 10 (the full version, not IoT) for the Pi 4 so developers could easily test their apps on an actual ARM device. Being able ship a Raspberry Pi 4 preloaded with Windows 10 to developers could bring a huge boost in the number of apps that support Windows on ARM.

What sort of applications do you find the Pi to be lacking? The Pi has been a gateway drug for Ubuntu and CLI applications for me and it hadn't crossed my mind that this could go the other way.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#97
post #51

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Maybe in the US. In my EU country(Austria) second hand hardware prices are through the roof. There's no way you're getting anything half decent from the last decade for $75. And then there's the cooling and power consumption difference between a 10 year old system and a RPi. It's not even close.

> In my EU country second hand hardware prices are through the roof. Curious - any thoughts on why?

Supply and demand or in this case, a bottleneck hold on a supply network that has shifted from warehousing months towards a just in time production/distribution model and with that, more susceptible to any bumps. This causes shortage spikes and price rises of new, which drive up the corresponding second hand offerings.

Same way hard drives a few years back increased in price, supply and demand as a factory went out of action for a while, curtailing market supply. Also why external USB drives became source of HD's as they had a larger supply buffer as less popular at the time and more in warehouses/stores.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#98
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike GP, his life is also about hating Apple in every way possible. Just looking at his YouTube channel for about 4 seconds makes it pretty obvious that he isn't even trying to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFIVZYevfGU - nope... he's fair. That's Louis's list of recommended macbooks.

Counterexample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCBYAP_Sgg

It does not take a genius to see how the cooling design is supposed to work. Him saying that fan is "for placebo effect" is certainly not fair.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#99
I bought a couple of Pi 3B+'s about a month before the Pi4 was announced.

Got myself a RPi4 last month.

I'll give you folks a heads up next time I'm buying a Raspberry, seems like I can turn my luck into others fortunes.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#100

Question from a non-technical person. I've been reading a lot about tiny websites on HN (e.g. https://bearblog.dev ). Can we use these Raspberry Pis to host them? Are they performant enough? Is setting things up newbie-friendly? Having your own little corner on the internet that no one can shut down sounds pretty cool.

It’s absolutely good enough. My web host will let you rent them as dedicated servers, and has used them as hosts themselves: https://www.mythic-beasts.com/blog/2019/06/22/raspberry-pi-o...
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