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8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card.

I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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For folks considering running 64-bit on the pi - I don’t think you need 64-bit userland. I’ve been running a 64-bit kernel on my pi with 32-bit userland perfectly fine. The few things that actually need 64-bit (I’m looking at you mongo) run in 64-bit mode via docker. That said, I’m not 100% sure how much memory overhead I have in this setup vs just running the 64-bit userland.

Technically there’s a very interesting “hybrid” abi you can try - 32 bit pointers on a 64 bit ISA. The main benefit is the extra registers that get unlocked in 64-bit mode while keeping memory usage lower. It seems there’s an attempt to do this in Debian [1]. From what I read it’s not a big win for arm though but could be big for x86 - since the ISA is very different between x86 and x86_64. Probably doesn’t matter when ram is so cheap nowadays.

Separately I’ve now got a serious case of buyers remorse. I just bought the 4gb version last week. I would have easily shelled out an extra $20 for double the ram.

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64ilp32Port

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent a few months doing much of my development on the 4 GiB Raspberry Pi 4 (gently overclocked). My experience was that of a slightly older notebook - totally fine for most things. The 4 GiB memory was hardly ever an issue, but the pathetic IO (storage and to some degree network) eventually drove me away. Thus, 8 GiB is a great option, but it makes it seem even less balanced now. EDIT: I haste to add that having t…

Thank you! Talking about the IO, did you experience failure (lose of work) due to the unreliability of microSD?

No one sane uses the microSD for anything but the boot partition :) I used a fast USB key and contemplated using a true fast USB 3.1 SSD, but I really didn't like the bulk (the SSD would have been as big as the Pi). I never lost any data (but I also only accessed it remotely - it was head-less).

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

Could this be fixed by setting aside a few gb of RAM for a virtual RAM drive, and run the OS from there?

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

#25
post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

there was this posted a few days ago: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/boot-raspberry-pi-4-usb

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

Could this be fixed by setting aside a few gb of RAM for a virtual RAM drive, and run the OS from there?

I've gone for an SSD over USB3, and get good performance - though RAMdisk would certainly be faster still and feasible with 8GB.

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

USB boot is coming, beta started a week ago:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=274595

Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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post #21

This is cool. Whats really holding it back at this point is it's use of a sd card. I find that its pretty difficult to use 4gb of ram on a pi practically, and its often bottlenecked by I/O. It might just be my SD card, but executing trivial commands sometimes takes forever and reminds me that I'm in a pi. I've heard ssds can improve speeds a lot, but you still cant boot off usb.

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Re: 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

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Does anyone know if the rPi4 can play HD (1080p) video in a browser smoothly yet? I bought one to use as a media PC after reading that it could play 4K video. Apparently it can’t even do 1080p in the browser though (YouTube etc)

Yes it can do full hd, ever since at least rPi3. Problem here is chromium. Use omxplayer and the rPi4 will do 4k in full glory. I think you can even use omxplayer with youtube somehow. Chromium doesn't even do hardware decoding on x86 desktops, you just don't notice it, because the cpu's are fast enough to do it nowadays.
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