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Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#91

Wow, text to speech does not work anywhere near that good when I speak. Australian accent perhaps?

I was wondering about that. And also about other languages, because I see Thai speakers using TTS on their Android phones and it seems to work really well in terms of speed and accuracy.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#92

Buried in the replies is a comparison with iOS’s on device speech recognition enabled, which paints a somewhat (though not entirely) different story: https://twitter.com/BenLumenDigital/status/12657182691908321...

Apple is still behind on accuracy either using on device or server connection.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#93

Buried in the replies is a comparison with iOS’s on device speech recognition enabled, which paints a somewhat (though not entirely) different story: https://twitter.com/BenLumenDigital/status/12657182691908321...

I don’t know what the “new feature” bit is about; I’ve been using off-line dictation on iOS for years. Anytime I need to dictate something very long, I turn the phone on airplane mode so that I can dictate without Apple, inevitably deciding, at some point in the middle of my dictation, to delete my entire message and begin to retype it in slow motion (has anybody else experienced this? I’ve been dealing with this for at least five years, since an early version of their online dictation).

Unfortunately, airplane mode is the only way to enable off-line dictation. Or, is there another way?

The first version of dictation had no online mode at all; when Apple added that, presumably as a Slowloris attack on the entire world, it ruined the entire experience.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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New Pixels (I think 3, but it may only be 4) have an inference chip of some form. All of this is done on-device. They ported this to older devices, but it's not as fast (but still offline). The assistant is one place (probably only place) where Google has a better privacy story than most (including Apple). Notwithstanding the phone offline capabilities, you can tell the home devices (which use online transcription) "…

>All of this is done on-device Having an on-device inference chip doesn't preclude them from sending back "telemetry" to improve their models. Unless they explicitly say that they don't send back data (or there's a toggle for that), my default assumption is that they do.

This is definitely true, the key thing here is that they don't have to (and assistant does work outside of service). In addition, there's no guarantee that "that was not for you" will actually delete details about the last command, but Apple doesn't even attempt this. You have no idea if something Siri shouldn't have heard will end up in a training dataset (disclaimer: I'm saying this in ignorance of the Siri privacy policy).

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#95

Buried in the replies is a comparison with iOS’s on device speech recognition enabled, which paints a somewhat (though not entirely) different story: https://twitter.com/BenLumenDigital/status/12657182691908321...

If you want to enable Apple's much-better offline dictation, you can press-hold on the microphone icon, then select "English (US)" or even any other language.

Apple's online, presumably neural network based speech transcription service is horrible. It is an absolute disaster. Slow, unresponsive, drops syllables randomly, and provides no good feedback to the user. It is hard to believe that it was designed by someone who actually intended this product to be consumed by real users. It fails even basic comparisons against the predecessor that it was intended to replace.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#96

Buried in the replies is a comparison with iOS’s on device speech recognition enabled, which paints a somewhat (though not entirely) different story: https://twitter.com/BenLumenDigital/status/12657182691908321...

I don’t know what the “new feature” bit is about; I’ve been using off-line dictation on iOS for years. Anytime I need to dictate something very long, I turn the phone on airplane mode so that I can dictate without Apple, inevitably deciding, at some point in the middle of my dictation, to delete my entire message and begin to retype it in slow motion (has anybody else experienced this? I’ve been dealing with this for…

Yes. It is absolutely horrible. You can press-hold on the mic icon to force it to offline mode.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know what the “new feature” bit is about; I’ve been using off-line dictation on iOS for years. Anytime I need to dictate something very long, I turn the phone on airplane mode so that I can dictate without Apple, inevitably deciding, at some point in the middle of my dictation, to delete my entire message and begin to retype it in slow motion (has anybody else experienced this? I’ve been dealing with this for…

Yes. It is absolutely horrible. You can press-hold on the mic icon to force it to offline mode.

OMG thank you!

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

#98
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In case anyone didn't notice, this is comparing Gboard (Google's virtual keyboard) on iOS versus Android. It's NOT comparing Apple's voice recognition tech with Google's.

That's actually (sneakily) not the case. Gboard does have voice transcription, but it's triggered by pressing the microphone button at the upper right corner of the keyboard. Apple's voice transcription is still triggered from the bottom right button, even if a 3rd party keyboard is being used.

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Re: Speech to Text on iPhone vs. Pixel

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Because the alternative is Android, which is very difficult to de-Google. Even if you do de-Google you need to open yourself up to a swath of security concerns. Why would I trust some internet account that is giving me a binary that compromises my phone for me? Should I trust that it will only do what they say it will do because they are a good person? Would they have nothing to gain for having complete control of my…

A degoogled Android phone is also for all intents and purposes useless to many people - my work 2fa, work profile, banking apps, even some games all require Google services.

Same with a degoogled iOS device. In that respect, they are no different.
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