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Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by antman »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #10

hello, I'm the creator of htmx (and originally intercooler) I just released 0.0.4, so htmx is still very young, but it's got a decent test suite: https://htmx.org/test/0.0.4/test/ there is a nice extension mechanism: https://htmx.org/extensions/ and some very rough docs on how to pull off pure HTML animations: https://htmx.org/examples/animations/ happy to answer questions

Does it have the same features with intercooler or are there any features of intercooler that will not be on the scope of this project?

Edit: Main concern is whether to start a new project now with intercooler or htmx

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by gavinray »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #31
gavinray wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard of Intercooler before and saw htmx on Github trending a few weeks ago. A question about this example: https://htmx.org/examples/inline-validation/ This paradigm revolves around sending validation requests to server-side endpoints, is there any reason to put that load on the server rather than validate it on the page prior to submit with JS? Or scalability issues? Not being antagonistic, genuinely curious b…

I'm not dogmatic about it. Some validation has to be done on the server side (e.g. unique emails) and any validation has to be redone on the server anyway since the client side isn't a trusted computing environment, but I can see doing both.

Ahh got it, yeah in this case that makes a ton of sense. No way to know with emails about uniqueness constraints until it hits the backend anyways.

I've been playing around with local demo, is it possible through extensions to make a wrapper that can perhaps compose GraphQL query inputs from forms?

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by combatentropy »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #10

hello, I'm the creator of htmx (and originally intercooler) I just released 0.0.4, so htmx is still very young, but it's got a decent test suite: https://htmx.org/test/0.0.4/test/ there is a nice extension mechanism: https://htmx.org/extensions/ and some very rough docs on how to pull off pure HTML animations: https://htmx.org/examples/animations/ happy to answer questions

I have a lot of respect for intercooler and wish something like it had become the go-to, with more complicated things like React reserved for apps that really need it.

I'm curious why you are starting over. What is different from intercooler besides no need for jQuery? Why HTMX instead of Intercooler 2.0?

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by recursivedoubts »

coderintherye wrote: post #40

How much work / code is required in order to make this IE compatible? I ask, since the project is young, it would seem like a good time to make the hard choice to not support IE.

there are a few areas where I need to check for nulls and i can't use some of the es6 niceties, but it's not too bad

the 'revealed' event logic doesn't use an intersection observer because of IE, that's probably the most annoying thing I can think of

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by himlion »

edko wrote: post #37
recursivedoubts wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i liked kutty a lot, but it just meant too many things in too many other languages lookin' at you, dutch

I am sure you must be referring to someone from the Katholieke Universiteit Tilburg.

it's a funny meme, but it was never called that.

See from wikipedia:

>Omdat Katholieke Universiteit Tilburg tot een ongewenste afkorting zou leiden, werd het Katholieke Universiteit Brabant (KUB).

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by recursivedoubts »

antman wrote: post #41
recursivedoubts wrote: post #10

hello, I'm the creator of htmx (and originally intercooler) I just released 0.0.4, so htmx is still very young, but it's got a decent test suite: https://htmx.org/test/0.0.4/test/ there is a nice extension mechanism: https://htmx.org/extensions/ and some very rough docs on how to pull off pure HTML animations: https://htmx.org/examples/animations/ happy to answer questions

Does it have the same features with intercooler or are there any features of intercooler that will not be on the scope of this project? Edit: Main concern is whether to start a new project now with intercooler or htmx

htmx is a lot more tightly focused. With intercooler I was trying to replace all javascript everywhere, but with htmx I'm really trying to focus in on the request/response stuff and make it an extensible base for other things.

I am planning on supporting both intercooler and htmx for the forseeable future. I have a large app written in intercooler and I'm not porting it over any time soon. If I were starting a new project I'd use htmx, but then I know the developer pretty well if there are problems. :)

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by recursivedoubts »

combatentropy wrote: post #43
recursivedoubts wrote: post #10

hello, I'm the creator of htmx (and originally intercooler) I just released 0.0.4, so htmx is still very young, but it's got a decent test suite: https://htmx.org/test/0.0.4/test/ there is a nice extension mechanism: https://htmx.org/extensions/ and some very rough docs on how to pull off pure HTML animations: https://htmx.org/examples/animations/ happy to answer questions

I have a lot of respect for intercooler and wish something like it had become the go-to, with more complicated things like React reserved for apps that really need it. I'm curious why you are starting over. What is different from intercooler besides no need for jQuery? Why HTMX instead of Intercooler 2.0?

I wanted the freedom to completely reimplement things and drop ideas that didn't work out in intercooler

I also wanted to stress that htmx isn't just another javascript library, competing with react and the rest. It is focused on HTML and extending HTML to make it a powerful and complete hypertext. I think that the name htmx captures that idea pretty well.

Re: Htmx – high power tools for HTML

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Post by dzonga »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #10

hello, I'm the creator of htmx (and originally intercooler) I just released 0.0.4, so htmx is still very young, but it's got a decent test suite: https://htmx.org/test/0.0.4/test/ there is a nice extension mechanism: https://htmx.org/extensions/ and some very rough docs on how to pull off pure HTML animations: https://htmx.org/examples/animations/ happy to answer questions

intercooler looked cool. never got to try it due to jquery dependency. but will definitely give htmx a try. my current project will either be htmx or alpine.js. Thank you for your work, in preventing SPA bloat ie providing an alternative
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