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Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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> But my point is that most people don’t care. Plenty do, they just also want a premium electric car despite the downsides , not because it has none. You just keep oscillating between your point being that "you" don't care, or "most people" don't care. I think the biggest single disadvantage Tesla has compared to other manufacturers is the service network, either dedicated or partnerships. Even in places where there'…

Sure, the service network is a weakness, but it's partially mitigated by the fact that there's far less service for which you need to return to Tesla than there is with other cars. In practice, it's just not a major concern because there's no dealer maintenance schedule. You're not taking it in every few months like with a gas car. You fill the wiper fluid, you get the tires rotated and you change the tires once in a…

> there's far less service for which you need

I'm thinking more like fixing even a minor fender bender. Anecdote but I personally know of someone from an Eastern European country who had to ferry the damaged Tesla Model 3 on a platform to a neighboring country to repair it because that was the closest authorized garage. It took months and the insurance premium exploded. You get a simple cracked headlight? There are no aftermarket parts, and even if you have an original one no garage can "legally" install it. Knowing someone in a Tesla authorized service partner I can confirm the practices are... not great. According to the agreement they signed to become an authorized partner and under the threat of withdrawing said authorization, they have quite a few limitations that make for longer wait times and more expensive repairs. They are not allowed to order extra parts for stock (they have to "tie" them to a car in service) and they are not allowed to use aftermarket replacement parts, only consumables. These are real issues and even if recently I was looking for electrics I just wasn't willing to take the chance. I have to consider the plausible worst case when making a purchase decision.

The yearly maintenance for my car just meant a maximum 45 minute visit to the nearest shop to my office that I did in the morning on my way to work.

> high mileage repairs and most people, particularly the ones who buy a Tesla, won't own the car long enough to be concerned about that

That's not good advertisement for a car. You're saying it's great as long as you can get rid of it fast enough? I'd really like to have the option to stick with the car without such caveats. I mean every car's maintenance increases with age and perhaps Teslas today involve the same overall effort and expense except distributed differently over the lifecycle (lower than average for the first few years, through your nose when it gets old). This may be ok for expensive cars like an Model X or an MB S-class, but not for something like a Model 3. And it suggests the very same Tesla owners talk out of both sides of their mouths. On one hand they are just trying to be green, on the other they're changing cars every few years? Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a justification, just pointing out the dissonance.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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All of Elon's companies give free publicity to one another. They all somehow manage to keep in the active news cycle. There was an announcement last week about the Boring Company in Vegas that mentioned Tesla's would be used as people movers.

There was an announcement last week about the Boring Company in Vegas that mentioned Tesla's would be used as people movers. This has always been part of the plan for the Boring peoplemover in Vegas...

Yes AND every article that I read about completion of the tunnel unnecessarily brought up the fact that they'd be using the EVs as people movers. Because to my point, any news coming out of one Musk company usually has cross marketing for another.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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VAT accounts for the bulk of the difference here.

Would VAT apply to cars coming out of their German Gigafactory?

VAT is on everything. So yes.

But it won't have the 10% import duty coming from the US, on top of VAT. And lower transport costs, since they're not being hauled from the US to the EU.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Tesla was amazing and unparalleled from about 2012 to 2018. In the U.S., since the Kona/Niro EVs, I-PACE, e-tron, and Taycan have shipped along with the Electrify America rapid charging network, Tesla no longer has a corner on the EV market. A fully-decked-out Model S costs the same as a base Porsche Taycan 4S. I'd challenge anyone to test drive both cars configured at the ~$115k price point and then come back and te…

Cheapest Taycan I could find was $145k. 192 mile range. I'll take the Model S that is faster and nearly double the range at this point.

> Cheapest Taycan I could find was $145k.

If you use the online configuration utility and select Taycan 4S, you will find you can purchase one for $114,340: https://imgur.com/X3KAfBd

> 192 mile range.

Since the first Taycan deliveries happened back in January, it's a well-known fact that the EPA's range is completely bogus: https://electrek.co/2020/02/10/porsche-taycan-tesla-model-s-...

When driving 75mph on a road trip, you can expect to get 209 miles out of a Taycan and 222 miles from a 2020 Tesla Model S Performance. Given that the Taycan charges at 270kW, that means you will complete a road trip significantly faster in a Taycan than you will in a Model S: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30894056/porsche-tayca...

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So combined Volkswagen, Audi, ŠKODA, SEAT and Porsche have outsold Tesla? Doesn't really sound like an achievement, except if you're in charge of mergers and acquisitions.

They're all the same company. Volkswagen owns 12 automotive brands: https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/brands-and-models.html And Volkswagen will soon be making further investments in Chinese brands: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-investment-chi...

They are now, but they weren't originally, they bought their first place. I doubt the general public knows.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Cheapest Taycan I could find was $145k. 192 mile range. I'll take the Model S that is faster and nearly double the range at this point.

The Taycan is a true luxury performance car. You're not buying it for the range or nominal maximum speed, you're buying it for the creature comforts...and the ability to go 95% as fast as the (current versions of the) Model S for 100x longer, or even faster with the creature comforts removed for racing.

To be clear, Taycan has a gearbox and a higher maximum speed. I think the word the poster you're responding to meant was "quicker." Regardless, the 2020 Tesla Model S Performance is neither quicker nor faster than the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S: https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images...

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They're car companies selling cars. Volkswagen is the world's biggest car company. It's no surprise that they're becoming the biggest EV company as well. I really wouldn't worry about it.

> I really wouldn't worry about it. You should worry about battery production capacity. VW has been having issues and won't be able to build EV in volume for some time unless they start manufacturing them. Being the world's biggest ICE company does not help with securing battery supplies, especially when your #1 competitor keeps increasing its global lead. Tesla has far more purchase power than VW for batteries (NB:…

> especially when your #1 competitor keeps increasing its global lead

Volkswagen's #1 competitor is Toyota.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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They're all the same company. Volkswagen owns 12 automotive brands: https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/brands-and-models.html And Volkswagen will soon be making further investments in Chinese brands: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-investment-chi...

They are now, but they weren't originally, they bought their first place. I doubt the general public knows.

I really don't know what you're talking about. Volkswagen is a big car company and they invest in their car business. There is nothing surprising about that.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Thanks to legislation, not to Tesla's magnanimous nature. Several states (notably, MA) had to wave increasingly large sticks at Tesla to get any traction there. You couldn't even buy a screw from their online ordering system. "Price: Not listed". "Order: Contact Tesla" (who would then say "not available to you". Even their service manuals. Make an appointment, in MA. Pay a fee. Go to a specified location, weeks later…

You can get them online... https://service.teslamotors.com/ It’s just expensive

That wasn't always the case. That was his point.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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This has always been their stated plan, to pass on cost savings to customers as they get more efficient and profitable. They did some similar cuts last year. Nice to see it continuing.

They also raise prices from time to time, it's not all cuts.

Right, depends on various factors obviously.
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