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A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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What age? I've noticed way more young people (teenagers and early 20s) exhibiting signs of anxiety and depression than people my own age (mid 40s). I never knew anyone with anxiety or depression growing up. But that probably has a lot more to do with mental illness not being discussed back than it not being around. But, even among me friend group nobody exhibited the signs that I see so clearly prevalent among my own…

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As a person with a history of depression and social anxiety I really do feel calmer since the crisis started, as if my state of mind was made for this kind of life. Less people on the streets, it's quieter, no one breathing down my neck in the supermarket, home office, no expectations on how to pick my clothes, how to behave, no trying to hide the weird stuff I eat (carnivore, high meat, raw, cooked and aged whatever…

Did you seek out carnivore/animal-centric nutrition in response to gut issues, mental health or something else?

I keep stumbling upon anecdotes of significantly improved states of mind since going keto/carnivore. Have you found any discussions putting forward a proposed mechanism behind these reportings?

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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I think they would say that their future prospects are a lot dimmer than yours were, precisely because boomers have strip-mined civilization for their own benefit and left your kids' generation holding the bag. At 37, I'm among the oldest of the millennials and I don't entirely agree with that assessment, but I think that's what they'd say.

That doesn't explain teenagers. My teens and their friends are not aware of that sort of things at all. That is more of a college-student mentality.

Teenagers are sensitive to the cognitive dissonance that accompanies learning how society works and their place in it, even if they're not yet able to articulate those feelings. Some are more precocious than others but anything a college student would be able to tell you about their relationship to society was developing for years beforehand.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Diagnostic criteria for anxiety and depression are very broad because they are necessary as tools for practicing doctors seeing patients (as opposed to applying them to a random selection of people). If you turn the process back, and just ask how many people in the population fit under them, you'll always, even in normal times, get an unexpectedly large number. That doesn't imply that anything is wrong or that anythi…

> very broad because they are necessary as tools for practicing doctors seeing patients This is such nonsense. These criteria are supposed to be scientifically valid and not a tool. What other medical speciality calls their diagnostic criteria tools. That's like saying the standards for diagnosing cancer are just a tool and anyone could be diagnosed with cancer if the doctor thought you would benefit from chemo drugs…

In a cool future universe where we can introspect the brain like we do with code the need for statistics based diagnostic criteria might disappear but it's what we've got.

Meeting the criteria is a good sign that you should talk to someone about it and figure out if that's the best explanation for what's happening. It's not a checklist and then "you've got the GAD."

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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As an American it's not surprising at all. Six figures of student loan debt, job insecurity, healthcare insecurity, rampant poverty / homelessness, the most despicable president to disgrace the white house (who didn't even win the popular vote), stay-at-home orders because the U.S. couldn't manage the crisis, lack of community (doesn't help that 99% of the country is sprawl), rampant obesity, and general lack of hope…

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What a perfect encapsulation of the individualism that drives the special American breed of blame-the-victim mentality. It allows society to erode the well-being of huge swaths of the population while simultaneously making them feel ashamed of their inability to triumph over the ruthless machine grinding them into the dirt.

Yes, we need personal responsibility, but maybe we could also stop making it harder for people to eke out a decent living. Maybe then we could rightfully claim the title of "the land of opportunity". As of now, we rank lower than dozens of other industrialized countries in terms of social mobility and economic equality.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they would say that their future prospects are a lot dimmer than yours were, precisely because boomers have strip-mined civilization for their own benefit and left your kids' generation holding the bag. At 37, I'm among the oldest of the millennials and I don't entirely agree with that assessment, but I think that's what they'd say.

That doesn't explain teenagers. My teens and their friends are not aware of that sort of things at all. That is more of a college-student mentality.

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Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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What age? I've noticed way more young people (teenagers and early 20s) exhibiting signs of anxiety and depression than people my own age (mid 40s). I never knew anyone with anxiety or depression growing up. But that probably has a lot more to do with mental illness not being discussed back than it not being around. But, even among me friend group nobody exhibited the signs that I see so clearly prevalent among my own…

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>loving the rain cause muh depression

I live in Oregon and I do love the rain. Maybe I am secretly depressed ;-)

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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I recently read "Man's Search for Meaning", written by a psychologist who survived several years in concentration camps during the Holocaust. Frankl's main thesis is that humans have a deep need for meaning in their life, which he defines as producing some kind of work, caring for others, or having enriching experiences. This strongly resonates with me. I believe America's consumer culture undermines this need. Many…

It seems that American culture and/or economics have, in recent decades, moved toward primarily consumption rather than primarily production. My point of view is that the backlash and anger against capitalism I perceive from younger generations is a result of how unfulfilling consumerism really is.

I think individualism and personal liberty has been conflated with a selfish sort of consumerism, from the end consumer up through corporate cultures. Want something new? Buy it! Are you a business wanting to make inroads in a new sector? Don't research and produce. Acquire!

It is no surprise to me, then, that corporate debt is at an all time high, corporations and individuals are less prepared and resilient than ever, and that this crisis is violently exposing that.

Re: A third of Americans now show signs of clinical anxiety or depression

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Diagnostic criteria for anxiety and depression are very broad because they are necessary as tools for practicing doctors seeing patients (as opposed to applying them to a random selection of people). If you turn the process back, and just ask how many people in the population fit under them, you'll always, even in normal times, get an unexpectedly large number. That doesn't imply that anything is wrong or that anythi…

The article shows the rise in people that meet these criteria over time, based on the same criteria self-reported in the same way.
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