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Elsewhere I've ready that Hong Kong and Taiwan have a lot of differences like Mandarin vs Cantonese. Also Hong Kong has a much higher GDP per capita.
> like Mandarin vs Cantonese Noob question, how much do these differ? Also does it go further, perhaps a difference in culture as well as language?
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Well, it made its own laws, had a different style of economy, had much greater freedom. From an outsider's perspective (mine), seems so.
Read up on Hong Kong history. The people of Hong Kong were under foreign rulers pretty much their entire history. This is one of the reasons why you should always fight for what’s right. Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. They just didn’t bother to begin fighting until they didn’t like their ruler.
Eg pressuring companies like Cathay Pacific, Big four accounting firms to take action against employees participating in lawful assemblies and protests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_prot...
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Not that I disagree with the act, but I love how politicians are trying to frame destroying Hong Kong's economy as supporting "Human Rights and Democracy."
In the post-nuclear world economic pressure is the only tool we have to deal with bad actors. It's why we sanction North Korea, Iran, and Russia.
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What i meant was it was under British rule prior to China. The British ruler was literally appointed by outsiders. From an American perspective it’s more about losing a territory under Allied jurisdiction. From the local perspective it’s about losing independence rights—though they didn’t really have that right under British rule either.
Towards the end, it was only under direct British rule because China threatened to invade if the British gave them self-governance. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/china-began-pu...
This is a reminder that it’s important to fight for rights everywhere, not just when it suits your interests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_development_in_Ho...
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We should go one further and carve out a territory for a New Hong Kong and let them re-build there.
Gov. Jared Polis (D-CO) liked a tweet this week where someone proposed a charter city for Hong Kong in Colorado - the thread shows why that's probably a bad idea, but clearly surprising levels of support outside the Libertarian think tank world for charter cities in the US: https://twitter.com/ariarmstrong/status/1264628307586248704
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree with the act, but I love how politicians are trying to frame destroying Hong Kong's economy as supporting "Human Rights and Democracy."
In the post-nuclear world economic pressure is the only tool we have to deal with bad actors. It's why we sanction North Korea, Iran, and Russia.
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#97The sad fact of the matter is that Xi has already calculated that and deemed it an acceptable loss in the name of "national security."
I'm kind of wondering if he will step down next year, or find a reason to keep going. (I don't know what the constitutional arrangements are, but assume that he can only have a single 10 year term)
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Towards the end, it was only under direct British rule because China threatened to invade if the British gave them self-governance. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/china-began-pu...
Towards the end the British tried to increase Democracy as a an anti-PRC political move but efforts were stalled by HK people themselves. This is a reminder that it’s important to fight for rights everywhere, not just when it suits your interests. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_development_in_Ho...
From the article you linked, it says it was stalled by vested interests and the CCP. Where does it say it was stalled by HK people?
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#99Related: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-officially-declares-that-ho... "U.S. Officially Declares That Hong Kong Is No Longer Autonomous WASHINGTON—The State Department has officially determined that Hong Kong is no longer autonomous from China, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement Wednesday that holds implications for the future of economic ties and could lead to sanctions against China. The State Dep…
Not that I disagree with the act, but I love how politicians are trying to frame destroying Hong Kong's economy as supporting "Human Rights and Democracy."
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#100Interestingly, When the union flag was raised over Possession Point on 26 January 1841, the population of Hong Kong island was about 7,450, mostly Tanka fishermen and Hakka charcoal burners living in a number of coastal villages. Today Hong Kong's population is 7.5 Million so 1000 times its original population. So every body who came later knew about the lease and the length of the autonomy.