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Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by bmn__ »

powerapple wrote: post #89
jariel wrote: post #58

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Not really, we apparently accept that Chinese companies are privately owned, that's the stated legality. That 'all large Chinese companies are controlled to a greater or lesser degree by the state' - is a matter of fact highly suppressed and obfuscated by the state for purposes of aggressie control and statecraft. Nobody cares that much that there's a degree of 'central planning' to grow the Chinese economy. People c…

So all the success of all Chinese companies are led by the CCP, why don't the world (west) give up? They seem to be a perfect leader for world economy :)

That's not how it works. You've put up an argumentative strawman.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by curryst »

apexalpha wrote: post #76
foolmeonce wrote: post #72

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> Google (likely) did something similar for zoom Zoom is a good example of terrible user experience. It won't even summarize the status of your connection and the meeting you are trying to join. If Skype fixed Multi-Party and made it free we would have roasted Microsoft for doing it as poorly as Zoom and Google would have filtered nothing.

What? Zoom is literally the only solution where I've send a link to people with almost no experience regarding computers and it just works.

I will whole heartedly disagree. I set up a Meets for my whole family, no one had any issues connecting (and they used an array of devices from phones to laptops) just using the link in the calendar invite. I've used Blue jeans across several companies, not a single issue using just links.

Zoom has the worst UX of any of them. Here's what it looks like when I join a Zoom meeting:

Paste URL into browser (URL has company subdomain). Get redirected to a generic login page that asks how I want to log in, as if they have no way of knowing that my company has SSO enabled. Click SSO, get redirected to a new page asking me for my company's subdomain despite the fact that they already have it from the original URL. Get redirected to my company's SSO login and login. Redirected back, where they ask for my name, every time, even though it's on my profile. Finally, type in the meeting password and join.

It's literally awful. I can't think of a worse way to implement that flow. And I'm not installing their desktop app. Given their horrendous security track record, the fact that they shouldn't need a thick app to begin with, and that it has to run on my desktop because corporate VDI has terrible performance in video calls.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by kragen »

ketzu wrote: post #91
kragen wrote: post #52

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Okay, but it's immediately clear that nobody who wrote this paper is knowledgeable about virology or the norms of academic publishing — but they were trying to fake it. Yet the first author is claimed to be a real person who is in fact a virologist with lots of academic publications. How about Wired? https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-co... > Except for that video, which hadn’t come out yet, Ri…

In general, even having a sponsor as an author, the sponsor should still consent to being on there in some form.

Are you talking about morality or common practice? Morally you shouldn't claim someone is an author when they're just giving you money. Common practice in biomedical research is to do so without even telling them about the paper. But as last author, not first.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #78
apexalpha wrote: post #76

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What? Zoom is literally the only solution where I've send a link to people with almost no experience regarding computers and it just works.

They have to install software by default. Meet and Whereby, on the other hand, require nothing but a modern browser.

While I like whereby, you cannot call someone. You can only meet when all parties know it is time to meet.

Good for calendar scheduled meetings, bad for casual chat.

Skype and zoom cover that part, I do bot know for meet.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by randomsearch »

triplea9 wrote: post #85
randomsearch wrote: post #75

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Bit OT but agree Zoom UX is weird awful. Still, the video works nearly all the time, which I guess is the most important thing.

What specific aspects of the UX would you say are awful? Because at the moment I’d strongly disagree, Zooms UX, along with how easy it is to join meetings, is one of the primary reasons it’s popularity has skyrocketed since the pandemic started. Users find it extremely simple and easy to use.

> Users find it extremely simple and easy to use.

Anecdotally, I'd disagree with this statement. It seems people pay for it because the video is more reliable than web apps and skype.

It's really rather basic stuff: "Schedule" is used as a noun but it can also be a verb, so bad choice of labels. To admit someone to a room I have to bring up the partipants chat. Wtf. When I'm in another application whilst awaiting people to join I have to keep checking, why not a notification and sound when they join? If I'm trying to join a meeting in similar situation, I can't work because there's a window blocking my screen (Mac). The constant suggestions of dial-in audio (wtf) are annoying and confusing. etcetera, ad infinitum. Additional complaints: there is a weird bug that causes audio quality to drop to "tinny phone" levels when using airpods. They fixed it. And now they broke it again. The white balance doesn't work and I can't adjust it...

Don't get me wrong, I use it because the video works with groups and doesn't stutter often. But the UX is awful.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by ketzu »

kragen wrote: post #103
ketzu wrote: post #91

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In general, even having a sponsor as an author, the sponsor should still consent to being on there in some form.

Are you talking about morality or common practice? Morally you shouldn't claim someone is an author when they're just giving you money. Common practice in biomedical research is to do so without even telling them about the paper. But as last author, not first.

I was naively thinking they had that in their grant agreements. As a computer scientist I know that people end up on the paper that didn't write it. But I haven't had the case where people didn't know they were on it.

Thanks for the insight!

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by three_seagrass »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #25
three_seagrass wrote: post #24

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Right, by strong-arming businesses with the threat of not having access to the Chinese market - i.e. forcing Apple to move Chinese citizen cloud data to government-owned data centers. Google doesn't even have access to China so there's no financial motivation.

In 2018 google demonstrated interest in re-entering the chinese market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine) It wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's something going on behind the scenes that China could use to force Google's hand. I'm not saying that's what happened but that is a possible response I was thinking about when writing my original comment.

And summarily pulled out after Google employees revolted, showing that the employees at Google care more about privacy than money than the employees at Apple.

Google still doesn't have access to China and even if they tried it again, the employees would leak and stop it again.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Post by three_seagrass »

thedudeabides5 wrote: post #26
three_seagrass wrote: post #24

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Right, by strong-arming businesses with the threat of not having access to the Chinese market - i.e. forcing Apple to move Chinese citizen cloud data to government-owned data centers. Google doesn't even have access to China so there's no financial motivation.

And yet... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23305149

>“Upon review by our teams, we have confirmed this was an error in our enforcement systems and we are working to fix it as quickly as possible,” said a YouTube spokesperson.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270290/youtube-deleting...

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