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Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by ehsanullahjan »

My MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) was having kernel panics multiple times a day after having been asleep for extend periods. This was extremely annoying, as you can imagine. I’m happy to report that the Catalina 10.15.5 update fixes the kernel panics for me.

The issue I experienced has been well documented [here](https://mrmacintosh.com/10-15-4-update-wake-from-sleep-kerne...) and elsewhere on the web.

I use my MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) with a CalDigit TS3 Plus Dock and LG 32” 4K monitor. It’s worth noting that using the computer undocked never gave me any problems.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by modzu »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #235
hugey010 wrote: post #206

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Yep late 2013 MacBook Pro: Catalina brought some security annoyances but mostly pain-free. IMO this computer is the epitome of function and form; I'm worried nothing will truly replace it when that time comes.

I had a mid 2013 MacBook Pro at work and I completely agree - the epitome of function, form and longevity . I used it daily for almost 7 years and just recently passed it on to a non-dev coworker who needed a laptop at home, and got a 2019 MBP instead. I replaced it because I needed more than 500 GB of disk space. Otherwise it still works perfectly. I think that's very impressive for a 7 year old laptop these days.

same feeling about my 2015, except i still use it!

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ksec wrote: post #167
rayiner wrote: post #116

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Tons of people: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/constant-kernel-panics-... https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16-mbp-gpu-panics.22210... There's like a dozen threads on MacRumors and the Apple discussion forums on various crashes, mostly related to sleep, but also to the watchdog timing out for WindowServer due to GPU lockups.

One of the reason why I dont like GPU acceleration in general. And this isn't just on macOS, Windows, Firefox, Chrome. May be it is better on iOS since Apple owns the whole stack from Metal to Drivers to actual GPU.

> May be it is better on iOS since Apple owns the whole stack from Metal to Drivers to actual GPU

This goes the other way than what you would think.

Owning the whole stack lets you reach through abstraction layers. This can be good for, say, efficiency. You don't have to assume the implementation of another component could work in multiple different ways, you can look inside it and do something that only works with the specific implementation you're actually using.

It tends to be bad for reliability. Having clean interfaces between things makes them easier to reason about, because they're independent components instead of a giant ball of spaghetti. Each component only has to consider the other component's published interface and not have to worry about every detail of its internals. It's "do one thing and do it well" vs. "nothing is ever guaranteed not to change in any way at any time."

The latter gives you greater flexibility at the cost of greater instability and fragility.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by asiachick »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #138
rayiner wrote: post #122

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I've got a brand-new 2019 16" and am dealing with the widespread crashes on wake from sleep. Honestly, it's a harder decision to send it back than you might think, for several reasons: 1) The hardware quality of other OEMs is bad too. Lenovo has really gone downhill. I sold my maxed-out X1 Carbon 7th Gen, which in less than a year: a) came with an LTE card that never worked for more than an hour at a time; b) had the…

Have you considered keeping the Macbook and running Bootcamp full time? (Or Linux, but I know Linux was in a bad state on new Macbooks as of fairly recently, don’t know if it has gotten better.)

If you're going to run Windows you'd likely be better of getting a Razer or one of the other systems that, at least for GPU work, is like an order of magnitude faster than a MacBook Pro.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by unnouinceput »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108
MperorM wrote: post #93

Since Catalina I have been getting daily freezes, where the entire operating system locks up. I can still move the cursor around and audio keeps playing as well, but everything else is completely frozen. Once in a while the freeze lasts so long the computer crashes resulting in a crash report: Termination Reason: WATCHDOG, [0x1] monitoring timed out for service Termination Details: WATCHDOG, checkin with service: Win…

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

What kind of 90's hardware you have that you can't run MacOS on it? I've been running MacOS in both Hackintosh and virtual machines for over a decade now.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by modzu »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #149
TheChaplain wrote: post #15

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Binary patching hasn't been a thing for years unfortunately. Even bigger wreck on consoles these days, where an update can be 50+ gigabytes...

Xbox 360 patches were handled differently -- only the game binary would be included in the initial patch; any content updates were released as free DLC add-on packs (or, if a game was releasing new paid DLC, they'd require a new add-on pack that included some subset of the new content for free). PS4 updates are notably bad, since they do a full copy & write (vs write-in-place) on patches. It's good if there's an issu…

i visited my brother last night and he threw on the xbox. it forced an update. then it downloaded almost a gig and threw an error. then it started again and installed and rebooted and installed.. about half an hour later we'd moved onto other things and never even played it. answered my question about whether or not i wanted one though! lol

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by barkingcat »

geekles wrote: post #151
barkingcat wrote: post #111

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I don't think you can conclusively say "Modern batteries should never swell" since there's always the possibility of manufacturing and design defects in new batteries too. It's the battery equivalent of the halting problem in software. No manufacturing and design process is perfect, there will always be errors. If you do find a perfect design and manufacturing process, I think you wouldn't be posting here on hackers…

The word "should" implies non-conclusivity.

"Never" implies conclusivity?

Either way, you wouldn't use "should never" when it comes to batteries, which still has bulging, quality issues, etc throughout the entire technology industry with cell phones bulging, phones catching on fire, batteries on airplanes themselves being damaged, car batteries catching fire.

It's very well known that modern lithium ion battery tech isn't all that "failsafe" so using the words "should never bulge" in this context is very deceptive.

It is more likely that any battery using current battery tech in consumer devices will buldge within a certain number of charge cycles (which might be higher than the useful lifetime of the device), but it's very likely that the battery will bulge.

https://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-7-battery...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner_battery_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_...

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

Wintamute wrote: post #99
emrikol wrote: post #88

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I have the same. Every day. I've done a lot of searching, and some people think that certain external monitors might be "the issue"--which I use. It didn't seem to be an issue before Catalina though.

Hmm, same for me perhaps. New MBP 16 and Catalina connected to a external monitor via USB-C (a HP Z27 4K UHD). If I leave it to sleep for a long duration, then it panics when waking from sleep and just black screens for a good few minutes, then turns on the fans full blast for like 2 seconds and reboots. I've taken to just shutting down completely when finishing work and not letting sleep.

Happens for me with a Mac Pro and XDR display.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by asiachick »

therockhead wrote: post #145

I have Catalina on a iMac Pro, a 16inch and 15 MacBook pro and for what it worth have hit zero issues.

Your experience of not having had any issues is mostly entirely irrelevant.

I went to a club and didn't get harassed. I went to bar and no one tried to feel me up. I walked down that alley and didn't get mugged.

Why is it that computer fans always say "It worked for me" as if it means something to the victims?

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by abootstrapper »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108
MperorM wrote: post #93

Since Catalina I have been getting daily freezes, where the entire operating system locks up. I can still move the cursor around and audio keeps playing as well, but everything else is completely frozen. Once in a while the freeze lasts so long the computer crashes resulting in a crash report: Termination Reason: WATCHDOG, [0x1] monitoring timed out for service Termination Details: WATCHDOG, checkin with service: Win…

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

Oh right, like I haven’t lived through countless blue screens of death in my time. Before Catalina OSX was the most reliable OS I had ever worked on.
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