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HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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"Curators, ranging from WarnerMedia editors to celebrities, put together a list of movies and TV shows they’re watching" ok so how do I know which human's taste is the same as mine. If only there was a recommendation engine for that.

It's not as if Netflix recommendation attempts are any good either.

HBO has human defined categories that makes sense.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

#42
One area where curation will fail is in "fancy bias". As in, the same bias that keeps crowd pleasing entertainment from winning awards.

People who are in the curation business (critics, reviewers, etc.) tend to favor things that make themselves look good to other people in the curation business. That is often opposite what the "unwashed masses" of people enjoy.

Prime example - Michael Bay movies. Michael Bay makes big, loud, entertaining movies with lots of explosions, bright lights, shiny objects, violence, and sex appeal. A "curator" is usually too snooty to recommend a movie like that.

An algorithm doesn't much care if a movie is artfully crafted, it only cares if people watch what is recommended. In the long run, an algo is more likely to give people what they want than a curator is.

If anything, curators over the long term seem to make a living telling people what they aren't supposed to like (or have access to).

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

#43
post #5

Lately it feels like Netflix's algorithm is "just show Netflix produced content". Maybe I'm being nostalgic but I really miss the old shooting star recommendation system where you rated content and got similar likes from other viewers.

I read somewhere they realized that just giving a thumbs up or down on a title is much reliable than having star recommendation system

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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post #38
post #3

"human-first platform" Yeah because netflix loves those robots it serves. At least netflix doesn't have a name problem... Three different HBO products... yeah that's gonna work. /s

HBO Max is just their newly renamed HBO Go and Now unification. If you had either Go or Now before, you now have Max. It's not really that complicated.

Actually you are incorrect, HBO Go and Now still exist as separate products. It is complicated for people that already have trouble tracking where their shows are on several different services. Even if they intend to merge Now into Max completely which likely is the case they still are making it confusing as hell for the common user.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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post #5

Lately it feels like Netflix's algorithm is "just show Netflix produced content". Maybe I'm being nostalgic but I really miss the old shooting star recommendation system where you rated content and got similar likes from other viewers.

I haven't been subscribed for about 6 or 7 months and the algorithm is mainly what drove me away. Outside of sports it's a service that seems to want to be every channel at once and that's mainly just not what I want. I'm not interested in game shows, reality shows, hgtv-type shows and it seems like there's no way to stop seeing this content no matter how many "thumbs down" I give each show. I'm not expecting to not see stuff I don't like but I want to at least give it a thumbs down and get it out of the interface.

HBO Max I'm on the fence about. I really like HBO but not sure I need or want everything that comes with the Max flavor.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

#46

I wasn't old enough to remember it, but when search engines tried to do this in the 90s, it became clear that people preferred machine recommendations. See yahoo directory, look smart.

People preferred it because Google - at the time - had found a scalable solution which gave (mostly) the best results. Why should I search for hours through directories if someone give me what I want after only entering a few words?

No one has found the "page rank of movies/series" yet, so I think HBO has a better chance here.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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This is like when Apple said their Music platform would be more human curated rather than algorithms like competitors such as Spotify. But the reason why I love Spotify's recommendations and not Apple's is because Spotify focuses on algorithms and does them so well. Same with Netflix, in my experience they truly know what I will like to watch, they seem to know what shows I'll love and what shows I won't love but wil…

I agree with you regarding spotify (though in my opinion lastfm was better ages ago), but I completely disagree with Netflix. Even if it weights genres I might like, netflix always recommends me whatever is popular at the moment.

It might be because of the service balkanization, but in the past I was able to find hidden gems on netflix, the same afterwards with prime video, but nowdays not only I have to browse in the text catalogs you might find online to quickly search among all the stuff I don't like, to find something I might enjoy that would certainly be buried in netflix UI. And even worse, I find myself rewatching my favorites instead of being able to find something different than blockbusters in the platforms.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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If they could show the IMDB rating, it would be enough for me.

Why do streaming services tend to show the Rotten Tomatoes score instead of IMDb? I trust the IMDb score a lot more...

I think you just answered your own question.

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

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This is like when Apple said their Music platform would be more human curated rather than algorithms like competitors such as Spotify. But the reason why I love Spotify's recommendations and not Apple's is because Spotify focuses on algorithms and does them so well. Same with Netflix, in my experience they truly know what I will like to watch, they seem to know what shows I'll love and what shows I won't love but wil…

100% agreed re: Spotify, but Netflix's algorithm seems to think that if I liked Annihilation and Arrival then I'll like any young adult or action movie with scifi aesthetic.

Similarly, if I liked The Witch and Hereditary then top recommendations for me must be $5m budget cash grab teen slashers and haunted webcam gimmicks.

I think random selection would be more effective for me than the current Netflix algo(s).

Re: HBO Max taking on Netflix with human curation instead of relying on algorithms

#50

If they could show the IMDB rating, it would be enough for me.

They won't even show their own rating anymore. I assume it's counterproductive to the goal of capturing eyeballs for as long as possible.

In my opinion Netflix tries too hard to make me watch more than I care to. In particular why can't I just by default enjoy the credits of a movie or series I just finished, instead I have to quickly use my remote so Netflix doesn't try show a trailer for something else, and there is no option to turn this off.

Relatedly their tvOS app gets laggy after just tens of seconds of browsing and it's been like this for over a year, how can they not fix it?

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