macOS Catalina 10.15.5 • Hacker News Board

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by fastball » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:11 PM UTC

m1h4 wrote: post #31

Still having a (at least one of the multiple different) kernel panic during sleep: panic(cpu 0 caller 0xffffff801e29169c): Sleep transition timed out after 180 seconds while calling power state change callbacks. Suspected bundle: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily. Thread 0x2754. Ever since moving to a brand new 16" MBP there isn't a day that passes wihout me being welcomed by the crash report dialog…

For anyone else having this issue, the fix for most people seems to be disabling Power Nap[1], which is enabled by default when you're on AC power. Can confirm that this worked for me personally. Disappointed to see no mention of fixing this bug in these release notes, however.

[1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251274321?answerId=2526...

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by mthoms » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

emrikol wrote: post #88

m1h4 wrote: post #31

Still having a (at least one of the multiple different) kernel panic during sleep: panic(cpu 0 caller 0xffffff801e29169c): Sleep transition timed out after 180 seconds while calling power state change callbacks. Suspected bundle: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily. Thread 0x2754. Ever since moving to a brand new 16" MBP there isn't a day that passes wihout me being welcomed by the crash report dialog…

I have the same. Every day. I've done a lot of searching, and some people think that certain external monitors might be "the issue"--which I use. It didn't seem to be an issue before Catalina though.

Anecdote in case it helps someone: My problems went away after switching from a USB-C/HDMI cable, to a USB-C/DisplayPort one.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by diebeforei485 » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

albertzeyer wrote: post #37

I'm still on High Sierra... I wonder if there are really good reasons to upgrade to Mojave? (I only know about disadvantages about upgrading to Catalina.)

Dark Mode :)

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by izacus » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:15 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #261

m1h4 wrote: post #31

Still having a (at least one of the multiple different) kernel panic during sleep: panic(cpu 0 caller 0xffffff801e29169c): Sleep transition timed out after 180 seconds while calling power state change callbacks. Suspected bundle: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily. Thread 0x2754. Ever since moving to a brand new 16" MBP there isn't a day that passes wihout me being welcomed by the crash report dialog…

For anyone else having this issue, the fix for most people seems to be disabling Power Nap[1], which is enabled by default when you're on AC power. Can confirm that this worked for me personally. Disappointed to see no mention of fixing this bug in these release notes, however. [1] https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251274321?answerId=2526...

Didn't work for me sadly - if I leave my MacBook docked it crashes every night even with PowerNap off :/

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by gonehome » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

szhu wrote: post #80

gonehome wrote: post #7

The group FaceTime UI is very strange, why have several overlapping boxes rather than just dividing the screen equally and using all of it? I know it's like this in iOS, but I'm not sure what group video looks like in macOS (though it sounds like it's the same based on the update text here). It's weird because the easier thing also seems like the obvious thing, and it's clearly better.

I typically use video chat apps like Facebook, Google Meet, and Zoom. I think the grid is efficient from a space perspective -- there's less wasted space -- but the grid looks very corporate and boring. I think there's also a practical advantage of placing tiles haphazardly: it might help spatial memory. It's a lot harder to focus on or find a particular rectangle in a sea of rectangles than it is to follow a shape t…

I don't buy this - this feels like rationalizing a bad design decision after the fact.

It seems like bad design to waste space on a small screen because it looks 'boring'.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by spacephysics » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

Is there any point in downgrading to Mojave from Catalina? Haven’t looked into it, so I assume it’s a pain. But the semi-daily kernel panic, over heating, kernel tasks taking up 80%+ CPU is rediculous for a $3k+ laptop

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by vadarvariu » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

caribousoup wrote: post #247

vadarvariu wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. Updated to Catalina recently and on top of the huge patch size the update client doesn't seem to have any retry mechanism built in. Connection drops 9.9G into a 10G download? Too bad, start over. Just a simple wget -c would do. Incredible.

I wonder how many real word resources are wasted over this. It costs money to serve that data, it costs money to download that data, it congests the network wherever that data is being routed, it consumes energy however that is generated in the region. Windows Update does this too, if the transfer fails it starts from zero. Multiply this by... what, a couple million times for each update? I assume they run the number…

My personal monthly usage is in the 100G region; this particular failed update has cost me 20G of burned bandwidth. Where I live around 2% of the country doesn't have access to decent broadband. Since these updates are released every 2 months or so in a very back-of-the-envelope fashion failed updates amount to 0.2% of the country's total bandwidth usage. I might be an order of magnitude off but that is still an incredible waste.

Maybe they did run the numbers, but the amount of engineering effort required to fix it is absolutely minimal (couple of lines...). A significantly worse outcome for society as a whole at the cost of a try-catch block.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by 7leafer » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

MperorM wrote: post #93

Since Catalina I have been getting daily freezes, where the entire operating system locks up. I can still move the cursor around and audio keeps playing as well, but everything else is completely frozen. Once in a while the freeze lasts so long the computer crashes resulting in a crash report: Termination Reason: WATCHDOG, [0x1] monitoring timed out for service Termination Details: WATCHDOG, checkin with service: Win…

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

In Russia, we have a wonderful saying: "The mice cried and pricked themselves but still kept eating the cactus"

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by dreamcompiler » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

riobard wrote: post #222

derefr wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a remote time-machine backup, i.e. to a Time Capsule (or a NAS pretending to be one)? Time Machine used to use AFP, but since AFP was deprecated, it now exclusively uses SMB for remote backups. (Specifically, it creates a sparsebundle image on the SMB share, and then locally mounts it.) Now, Apple has their own implementation of SMB; and it seems to have been seeing frequent updates in Catalina (see https://sup…

I'm hitting the stupid SMB bug everyday but the symptom seems to be different. I tried to manually connect to `smb://nasbox.local` in Finder and it works with `nasbox.local` appearing in the sidebar. I can also click `nasbox` (without `.local` and this is advertised by the avahi-daemon on the nasbox I believe) and it opens the network shares fine. However, if the Mac goes to sleep for a while and then later wakes up,…

I've given up on Mac-to-Mac networking in Catalina. All my other (older) Macs in the house can talk to each other just fine, but the new Catalina Mac just pretends to connect to them and fails. I have to use thumb dives to move files to/from it.

Apple networking had mostly "just worked" since the 80s. It took a big hit when they abandoned Appletalk, and now with Catalina it doesn't work at all. Apple has fallen a long way since its glory days.

Re: macOS Catalina 10.15.5

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Post by rvz » Wed, May 27, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

js2 wrote: post #166

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you guys put up with this? Do you like pain? Edit: I'm not trying to troll, I genuinely want to know why people put up with this. I bounce between Linux and Windows and have no loyalty to either of them. I've settled on Windows with WSL2 on my desktop but I'm tempted again to install the new Fedora on my Thinkpad. Is it the lock in? With my hardware I can run anything I want except for macOS. Once you buy Appl…

I've been using Macintoshes since 1986. I've used Mac OS X since 10.1. I've used dozens of different models of Apple computer. There was only a single combination of hardware/OS X release that I ever recall experiencing kernel panics often enough to bother me. It was one of the first generations of Intel iMacs on release 10.4 or 10.5. I'm currently using 10.5 (Catalina) on a work-provided 2018 13" MBP hooked to an ex…

It's kind of why I still continue to use my Macbook (non-pro), despite of the warts that Catalina brings. The reason being that there is no credible desktop alternative other than macOS or even Windows. I don't see myself wrestling to get things done or googling general OS issues on macOS, when I try installing a Linux distro these days when there's WSL2.

TouchID does the security for me rather than having to repeatedly type in my password unless I restart the machine. Interestingly, it can be done on Apple Watch if you're savvy enough but I won't expect typical consumers to care about that but only TouchID. They would probably ask if this exists on Windows or another Linux distro, which the answer is 'there are equivalents'. For the former, it depends on the computer, but for the latter the kernel may support it, but requires some digging into getting it to work on your chosen distro, which isn't acceptable for a "consumer OS".

Even with Apple's incompetencies with NVIDIA, Metal requirements, no 32-bit support and their silly notarisation services snooping my executables, in the end I still use it. Why? Because macOS still 'just works' and gets out of the way. Some Linux distros are getting there but I have no time to play around with my dotfiles, desktop environment or fix my window manager to get work done. Which is why I'm now dual-booting with Windows for WSL2 instead of installing a Linux distro and worrying about breaking it by installing a conflicting library or system component.