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Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

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The cold war is back, the fashion is back and out of all the things that are back I am glad that the USA is back in space flights. Wish you the best luck and hope that this will lead to some serious competition. Soyuz is great but we need to do more as species.

What fashion?

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#82
post #67
post #16

The cold war is back, the fashion is back and out of all the things that are back I am glad that the USA is back in space flights. Wish you the best luck and hope that this will lead to some serious competition. Soyuz is great but we need to do more as species.

Well, the human species first and foremost should be seen as consisting of individuals, and while being deeply excited about and appreciative of all the high-tech endeavors, I keep asking myself, how much they are - and for how long they will continue to be - dependent on a near-slave labor of millions of said individuals around the world. (It's still there, on a massive scale, in spite of automation, machines, robot…

That's not going away until we robotize everything. We no longer hunt, all the genetic material for hunting left in us is now just an artefact, we no longer ride horses for transportation, we no longer loose contact from our friends and families for prolonged periods, we no longer do many many things. I think we no longer eat meat too - I mean sure we eat meat but for most of us meat is this thing in the supermarket and we don't have an intuitive understanding from where it is coming from.

Something like that needs to hapen with robotics before we no longer have people who do the undesirable jobs.

There's this movie "Downsizing" about people getting miniaturized and live lavish lives as their material needs get smaller. It's not a very good movie but what stike me in the move was that even in that kind of society they needed to have miniaturized people for the labour that no one wants to do and they had to have slums and so on so that the society works. I find this very realistic because even though we have rich countries and poor countries, we still have to have income gradient everywhere so that some people will do the jobs that others don't want to do.

I don't think that this will go away without eliminating the need for near slave labour.

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#83
post #19

Love the new "Space" suits and the touch screen panel inside the capsule. This is going to be amazing. My prayers with the brave astronauts.

The space suit looks like it's made for a Halloween party. It looks kind of not flexible and fragile. The touch screen panel is surely very cool.

Elon has fascination for sci-fi aesthetics so no matter what, he is going to shoe horn it in.

Sci-fi UI/UX was developed in a short time under pressure when movies were being made. The authors did not consider literally anything about the implications such as ergonomics, cost, reliability, discoverability, etc. Literally zero research behind it. It was not an engineering project by any stretch of the meaning.

Sci-fi aesthetic is the cancer of our society propelled by big budget films and cultural impact worldwide. It has absolutely no place in space exploration.

All this is decoration and marketing. Personally, I also hate the new space suit design, it looks like a movie set than those badass suits astronauts used to wear. They screamed of technical prowess, not aesthetics. Emerging aesthetics were absolutely badass: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Tim_Kopr...

SpaceX/NASA are preparing the suiting up process right now. It looks like a low budget bad sci-fi movie: https://i.imgur.com/MzdPwD6.png

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

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post #40
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do more as species Space exploration and exploitation is awesome, but shouldn't the first items on the "do more as species" todo list be about taking care of earth?

We raise the question if the space deserves exploration fairly frequently here. For some reason, neither commercial advantages - certain things, like global communications, navigation, imaging can be conveniently done with satellites - not traditional expansion of species habitat reasons - though I'm sure for each Columbus crew there were some loudly wondering why sail at all - serve as a good enough explanation.

Of course it is worth to explore space. It does not "deserve" to be explored, it just pays off. There is huge amount of knowledge and resources to be had.

Of course robotic missions are better for exploration than manned mission. Manned missions costs so much we could do so many more robotic missions for the same cost. People are absolutely not required in space.

We send people into space because we can and we want. Because we keep separate track of record of things achieved by actual human beings. That's why we list who beat 100m or marathon record even though we have machines to move as around much faster. Because standing a human on a mountain, sea bed, or a piece of rock in space is an important step for us to prove we can command nature around us.

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#85
post #16

The cold war is back, the fashion is back and out of all the things that are back I am glad that the USA is back in space flights. Wish you the best luck and hope that this will lead to some serious competition. Soyuz is great but we need to do more as species.

As much as many US "hawks" seems to want it, I think another cold war is one of the least desirable thing to start now.

As long as other nuclear powers exist - there will be cold wars.

There are two alternatives...

1. Non-nuclear hot wars.

2. A single global authority.

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

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post #16

The cold war is back, the fashion is back and out of all the things that are back I am glad that the USA is back in space flights. Wish you the best luck and hope that this will lead to some serious competition. Soyuz is great but we need to do more as species.

Yes, but is manned missions really going to achieve much. I thought there was much differing opinion about the value/lack of value of manned missions among the space community itself.

The US kind of has to preserve at least a minimal manned spaceflight capability in case we really need it for something in the future. If we completely lose the infrastructure, supply chains, and institutional knowledge it will become impossible to restart from scratch in a reasonable time frame. Think about it like paying for an insurance policy. It's worth doing even if it eats into the budget for unmanned satellites and probes.

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#87
For those who aren't giant space nerds (like me) the very best place to get info on SpaceX and SpaceX launches has always been Reddit's /r/SpaceX[0]. The launch today (like all launches) has a dedicated thread[1] with mods keeping all details up to date, all links that matter organized.

It's 100% not sponsored or run by SpaceX, but honestly it's probably doing a better job than a corporate PR side could manage. Fantastic amount of details on everything in their wiki and posts, and friendly people who answer questions happily.

[0] https://reddit.com/r/spacex

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/glwz6n/rspacex_cctc...

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#89
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least there is no face lighting inside them. (Or is there??)

Don't worry, there will be in the suit for Tom Cruise

A photonic force field to keep the Thetans away.

Re: SpaceX NASA returning human spaceflight to United States today (canceled)

#90
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this question never raised whenever the latest web company raises X million dollars that could’ve funded green tech?

It's clear that the people writing the checks thought they would make more money with the web company. Either they're looking at the green projects and thinking "meh" or they're not seeing them at all.

Or they're investing in both web and green tech.
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