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Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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If you expect reliability and quality, you also find the ownership experience to be different. I have owned three.

Please elaborate

The reliability stats disagree with OP. So I wouldn’t read too much into his single data point.

Especially wrt the 3. The X def had some issues around the falcon wings etc.

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> Current wait is 8-12 weeks on a Y, and only a week or two on the rest. Here in Europe it's August for all of S/3/X.

You are waiting for Berlin to go up right? Or is that next year?

S/3/X come from the US (partly assembled/finished in the Netherlands AFAIK).

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Free supercharging is not on the X or S now. That is a significant change. Supercharging Max/ Payment Type200 kW max; Pay Per Use

I think that's a good thing. Less people charging exclusively at the superchargers due to it being free - less queues. Also they use a lot of the Supercharger money they get to build more Superchargers.

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Makes sense. Model Y is picking up steam. I doubt they are selling 100% production of the other models (Y is eating a bit into sales of all 3). S and X are both in need of a refresh, they have worse battery tech than both the 3 and Y and missing some of the cool Y features (heat pump, octovalve). Current wait is 8-12 weeks on a Y, and only a week or two on the rest. In line for my first Tesla (a y). It has been a ver…

The Y isn't even coming out in Europe for another year. That's probably good because it's the only viable Tesla for me and I'll probably have the budget for it next year.

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What all media (except Reuters...) failed to report: free Supercharging seems to be gone for S/X.

I think someone did the math and you would need to supercharge 100k mikes to pay 5k. The cash is a better deal for almost all.

It's a convenience and mental thing. I am more likely to go on long tours/holidays with my S knowing it's free (and bragging about it), so the calculation doesn't really work out.

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Makes sense. Model Y is picking up steam. I doubt they are selling 100% production of the other models (Y is eating a bit into sales of all 3). S and X are both in need of a refresh, they have worse battery tech than both the 3 and Y and missing some of the cool Y features (heat pump, octovalve). Current wait is 8-12 weeks on a Y, and only a week or two on the rest. In line for my first Tesla (a y). It has been a ver…

Good luck! Tesla's are marvels of technology, but the lockdown they have on maintenance and repair -- which includes extremely high costs -- is enough to shy me away until we get a 'right-to-repair' law.

I would just settle for a full pipeline of replacement parts!

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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People keep talking about batteries getting cheaper, how likely is it that this largely reflects changes in the cost to Tesla to produce these vehicles? On the flip side how likely is it that this is cutting substantially into Tesla's profit margin?

They're trying to boost sales with price cuts: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-prices/tesla-cuts-p... All car manufacturers have seen sales decline due to the coronavirus pandemic.

No doubt, I'm not asking about causality here, just wondering how their project margins are going to be affected.

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pricing rarely has anything to do with cost to produce, especially for goods are aren’t perceived as commodities

Like how the V8 Mustang is a 10k premium over the turbo four, there's absolutely not a 10k difference in production costs.

Check out the top Porsche 911 vs the bottom. There is a six figure difference!

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Please elaborate

One X was a lemon and spent months in the shop. The second X was better but still needs a warranty repair every few months. The 3 is better still but has had six or seven service visits.

Anecdotally, my father has had an early (2018) 3 for the last 2 years and hasn't had any issues. The only service done so far has been recall work for the frunk latch (I guess he doesn't use it much and didn't notice the defect that the recall was supposed to fix).

Re: Tesla cuts car prices by up to $5k

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Makes sense. Model Y is picking up steam. I doubt they are selling 100% production of the other models (Y is eating a bit into sales of all 3). S and X are both in need of a refresh, they have worse battery tech than both the 3 and Y and missing some of the cool Y features (heat pump, octovalve). Current wait is 8-12 weeks on a Y, and only a week or two on the rest. In line for my first Tesla (a y). It has been a ver…

Good luck! Tesla's are marvels of technology, but the lockdown they have on maintenance and repair -- which includes extremely high costs -- is enough to shy me away until we get a 'right-to-repair' law.

You are absolutely right, but it's also not as bad as it was before. You can now buy "unrestricted" parts. Before, you couldn't even buy an air filter.
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