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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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Its evident to me that our strategy to combat misinformation is not going great at the moment. I've been on Reddit for over 13 years and the site has gone through many changes. What if we changed our thinking from removing/flagging bad content to fostering rich discourse? I'll use r/politics for example, I currently do not think there is productive or rich discourse being had there. If you have had a different experi…

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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #117

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lol what, he is biased for pointing out misinformation from a prominent public figure, after years of Twitter being criticised for allowing false information to proliferate?

No no, he is biased from his own Twitter history. It is clear he despises Trump and conservatives more generally. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would certainly pause to consider the ramifications of this individual being the source of truthiness for Twitter b

We'll see how it goes. It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone with strong personal biases was put in a position to editorialize on someone else's signal.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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From a free speech/free press standpoint, private company Twitter absolutely has the right to editorialize Trump's tweets, while Trump trying to silence Twitter would be the government infringing on the right to free speech/press.

Exactly. It is just another lie that Twitter would be "stifling free speech". Free speech was not stifled: Trump could even say what he wanted even though it is a private platform.

When referring to free speech, it is common to refer to the moral backbone of freedom of speech (strong entity shouldn't be able to silence the masses) instead of just the legal/constitutional definition.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #335

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> On the one hand I don’t think we should leave it up to companies like Twitter to censor things. True, but the think is Twitter did not censor his post . They added a "fact-check" hint that just pointed out that he was speaking made up thinks containing a link to an informative article. This is very different to censorship. People can still freely decided to believe him, or read the facts and don't or read the facts…

Trump's claim was that there _will be_ fraud if we have mail in ballots. Unless Jack Dorsey knows the future, I'm not sure you can fact check something that hasn't happened yet.

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Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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I feel like we are slowly reaching the state the movie “Idiocracy” describes. I feel very torn about this. On the one hand I don’t think we should leave it up to companies like Twitter to censor things. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that the president is constantly claiming things without any evidence backing up. It started with the claims of millions of illegal voters in 2016 and the commission they st…

President Camacho delegated to experts, led people to keep them cohesive, and actually solved a problem. No, this demented clown is something else - a manifestation of hyperpolarizing social media driven by longstanding authoritarianism. It seems that absolutely nothing matters as long as the "other side" is upset, even while it hurts everyone. Responding to a public health emergency shouldn't even be a political issue, but it's been dragged into this post-truth realm where everything is up for debate. And so the Party continues to line up behind a "leader" that led us straight to catastrophe. Meanwhile 100,000 Americans have died in the real world, with the economy in shambles for the next year as we're stuck distancing.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#376

There's an unsolved conundrum I haven't heard mentioned yet. After the 2016 election, there was a thought that too much false information is spreading on social media. This happens in every country and across every form of communication - but social media platforms seem particularly worrysome (and is particularly bad with Whatsapp forwards in some Asian countries). So what should the social media companies do? Censor…

I think we're trapped in a structural innovation problem. Social media, no matter how it started, is now the pipeline for information. The internet is displacing old media forms but stalling out on that development.

The system is stuck in two local maximums: news publishers which use their own web properties as some kind of newspaper/television hybrid, and social media platforms which conceive of media as only posts, votes, & comments. They're both "monolithic architectures" (so to speak) which lack the kind of modularity or extensibility that would enable innovation.

On the Internet, we should be looking at information within the context of general computation. There are data sources (reporters, individuals, orgs) which get mixed with signals (votes, fact-checks, annotations) and then ranked, filtered, and rendered. An open market would maximize the modularity and extensibility of each of these components so that better media products can be created.

The social platforms are in a difficult position because they have total control over what's carried on their platforms, and so they want to assert a position of neutrality -- which is why they're adamant they're not media companies. But if they're controlling any part of the pipeline other than compute and hosting, they're not a neutral platform. They're a part of the media.

The way we've historically walked the tight-rope of misinformation vs censorship is to create an open market for journalism so that there's accountability through the system. I don't think we'll have an open market until we componentize social media and stop seeing journalism and the design of social media as two distinct things.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #169

Why not just kick him off for tos violation and be done with it. That would be an article worth reading...

He is the President of the United States! And 50% of the people like his policies (if not his personal behavior)

Only a little under 25% of the US affirmatively voted for him in the 2016 election (a little over 25% voted for his opponent, and roughly 50% chose to not vote at all). Included in that 25% would be people who either voted against his opponent, or voted on a single issue that overrode all other considerations (in the US, blocking legal abortions is the single biggest driver of these voters).

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

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post #303

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I think that's just symptoms of the real problem: the extremely profit oriented media industry. Senselessly creating and reporting on "conflicts" and "scandals" makes them the most money. Trump is just playing their game.

Trump plays no game but his own. There is no world to him except what he perceives, even more so than 99.9% of people his own self-supporting delusions drive his entire existence. No one can puncture that bubble, at least not that I've seen.

I am surprised how people can still have this simplistic, lazy view. Including most "journalists".

Anyways, by downvoting you already showed that you don't care about open discussions. Good luck with that.

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#379

Hm, is fact checking solved problem? I remember someone here had their game flagged just because it referenced SARS-CoV-2. I hear almost daily horror stories of youtube algo's screwing up content creator. As a human, I still struggle a lot to read a paper and figure out what I just read. On top of that, things like the GPT2 from OpenAI might generate very human like comment. Is there no way to consider social media a…

> Ask some oracle what "fact" is and shun every other point of view? This statement concerns me, greatly. Its implication is that facts are merely point of view statements. That is just, well, it's just wrong. Facts are facts. The truth is the truth. They don't care what your beliefs are. If it is empirically true, then it is true. Why and when did it become okay to hand-wave and dismiss anything you didn't believe i…

Facts can be inconvenient and falsehoods comforting. We are dealing with people after all...

Re: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms

#380

The head of integrity has unabashedly showcased his strong political bias on Twitter, and I suspect things will begin going poorly for either him or Twitter shortly.

If fact-checking the President when he says untrue things is "strong political bias," there are larger problems than the fate of one employee at Twitter.

That isn't the bias, check his Twitter history there are links all over this thread
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