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AWS services explained in one line each
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Re: AWS services explained in one line each
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Semi-shameless plug (I work for Oracle) but have you tried OCI? You might find both the console UI/UX and the cloud calculator pretty decent. That's just my personal feel, coming over to work as an Oracle cloud consultant with previous AWS/Azure experience. I'd argue it's normal those two are where they are; AWS is now a spaghetti of products, while Microsoft are anti-KISS by DNA.
Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
Point taken. Every time Oracle is mentioned it's in the context of horror licensing stories. I get that - but would it make a difference if I said OCI is actually different?
Take this with as much salt as you want but they're really trying to put that in the past. OCI pricing is super transparent, simple metrics, cheaper than the incumbents on every front, there's no "call us for pricing", there's a transparent 30% discount for committed spending (before you even get to talk to a salesperson) and the dev team has been given free reign to act like a startup and ignore the corporate machine. I'm not a marketing person but I do believe we have a very good offering and it's a shame it's being ignored solely because of bad blood.
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Yeah, we use a mix of AWS and self hosted machines. We've had up to 40 servers with this method and devoted similarly trivial amounts of time to it. If you want it to be long term sustainable, you probably want at least 2 people that can handle it, so they can go on vacation. If your goal is to be the next billion dollar company, it probably doesn't matter that much. But if you're self-funding and need a sustainable…
If you want it to be long term sustainable, you probably want at least 2 people that can handle it, so they can go on vacation. The fully allocated cost of two ops people in my neck of the woods is a little over $300K. That can buy a lot from AWS. I'm not sure why so many developers seem afraid of hardware I want to develop . Yes I’ve been around long before AWS was a thing, I had to manage servers, load balancers, a…
...but they aren't fully allocated. They're allocated at about 5% - maybe less.
I manage a couple dozen servers and it's a small minority of my job.
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OK substitute VM with OpenStack then.
I’m really not trying to sound like the “do people still watch TV” guy, but I thought OpenStack fell off the hype curve years ago. Do people still use it.
> fell off the hype curve years ago. Do people still use it.
Hype and usage are very different. It's not like a lot of people really used it during the hype either. There are a few places which actually need something like that and can't use k8s.
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#335I made this list for my buddy a while back. It's meant to be more humorous than exactly correct Route 53 - Holy shit! It's NSD WAF - Holy shit! It's modsecurity SES - Holy shit! It's Postfix Inspector - Holy shit! It's OSSEC GuardDuty - Holy shit! It's Snort Data Pipeline - Holy shit! It's Cron and Bash Athena - Holy shit! It's Prestodb Glue - Holy shit! It's Hive Metastore and Spark OpsWorks - Holy shit! It's Chef V…
> CloudWatch - Holy shit! It's syslogd
I'd go with grafana/prom/loki. It's both for logs and for metrics.
Re: AWS services explained in one line each
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does help, there are some early decisions that were made pretty well (the first or second time, at least). Oracle's EC2 is called "compute instances", S3 "object storage", SES "email delivery", Lambda "functions" etc. And object storage could have been Casper, load balancer Flamingo, or data transfer Rhino.
And then I’m stuck with the 4th (?) place cloud provider with a horrible reputation. Choosing Oracle definitely would violate the CYA rule - “No one ever got fired for choosing $what_everyone_else_chooses”. I would be safer choosing Azure or even GCP.
Er, I'd argue that aiming for safety and/or following the crowd aren't really the ingredients of a sound decision making process. On that basis no challenger would ever stand a chance.
Re: AWS services explained in one line each
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Semi-shameless plug (I work for Oracle) but have you tried OCI? You might find both the console UI/UX and the cloud calculator pretty decent. That's just my personal feel, coming over to work as an Oracle cloud consultant with previous AWS/Azure experience. I'd argue it's normal those two are where they are; AWS is now a spaghetti of products, while Microsoft are anti-KISS by DNA.
Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
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Re: AWS services explained in one line each
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
Point taken. Every time Oracle is mentioned it's in the context of horror licensing stories. I get that - but would it make a difference if I said OCI is actually different? Take this with as much salt as you want but they're really trying to put that in the past. OCI pricing is super transparent, simple metrics, cheaper than the incumbents on every front, there's no "call us for pricing", there's a transparent 30% d…
Another point re $$$'s. Predictable, low pricing is actually a key Oracle cloud selling point. Following the recent wins with Zoom and 8x8 we've put up a comparison sheet [1] and a workload estimator [2]. Then there's the general cost estimator [3]. No hidden costs, and no calling required.
[1] https://www.oracle.com/cloud/economics/
[2] https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/workload-estimator/index.ht...
Re: AWS services explained in one line each
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
And then I’m stuck with the 4th (?) place cloud provider with a horrible reputation. Choosing Oracle definitely would violate the CYA rule - “No one ever got fired for choosing $what_everyone_else_chooses”. I would be safer choosing Azure or even GCP.
Er, I'd argue that aiming for safety and/or following the crowd aren't really the ingredients of a sound decision making process. On that basis no challenger would ever stand a chance.
That’s not my problem. Everyone looks out for their own self interest. Let’s say that OCI and AWS both statistically had the same uptime. If AWS went down for a day no one is going to question you as CTO for choosing AWS, besides you’re in the same boat as everyone else. If Oracle Cloud went down, everyone is going to be questioning your decision.
But, the saying initially was about IBM. The CTOs in the 60s and 70s who chose IBM instead of one of their competitors in hindsight made a good decision. You can still buy hardware from IBM today that can run COBOL programs written thirty to forty years ago. All of IBMs competitors are long dead.
From a recruitment standpoint, you can easily find someone who knows or wants to learn AWS or Azure - Oracle Cloud - not so much.
Re: AWS services explained in one line each
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Semi-shameless plug (I work for Oracle) but have you tried OCI? You might find both the console UI/UX and the cloud calculator pretty decent. That's just my personal feel, coming over to work as an Oracle cloud consultant with previous AWS/Azure experience. I'd argue it's normal those two are where they are; AWS is now a spaghetti of products, while Microsoft are anti-KISS by DNA.
Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
If the objective is to not get locked in public cloud isn't the best thing to do