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Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by cwhiz »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #77
2mol wrote: post #75

This looks great, however at first peek it doesn't mention anything about auth. Do you have any plans for that? For me this is the topic I most want to just delegate to the service. Dashboard, realtime stuff, etc are great too. RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST [0], which is insanely excellent, so the value I'm looking for is to have everything managed, from hosting/storage, to security, to all the othe…

Any thoughts on Auth0? https://auth0.com/

I have found Cognito to be a similar enough, if not more quirky, offering, but at a fraction of the cost. Auth0 is just too expensive.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by codegladiator »

tifadg1 wrote: post #138
codegladiator wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why shouldn't they charge for a great product ? They should charge from the beginning. > When Google charges it's a problem Where is that ? It's a problem when it's abrupt.

It's easy taking the high road when you're not the one actually doing something. As a business, if you're getting something for free, assume someone else is subsidising you, as there's no such thing as free lunch.

Not sure what is the point you are trying to make. What high road did I take ?

> if you're getting something for free, assume someone else is subsidising you, as there's no such thing as free lunch

And how does this matter to the commend that OP made which I was replying to ?

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

pkghost wrote: post #110
kiwicopple wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question - one we get asked often. We don't use GraphQL (but you can do deep-queries: https://supabase.io/docs/library/get#query-foreign-tables ) Under the hood we use PostgREST. At the same time, we may (also) offer GraphQL using Postgraphile, so people can bring their own client-library. Differences from Hasura: - Auth: we will use Postgres RLS - Realtime: we don't use triggers, we use WAL (much more scalable)…

This might be pedantic of me, but conflating RLS and auth isn't a great look. RLS is a general purpose mechanism for constraining row operations, and auth has to do with usernames and passwords and session tokens.

This is what we are targeting: http://postgrest.org/en/v7.0.0/auth.html

We are still doing a heavy assessment of whether this model can be generalised for everyone. It covers the details of both authentication and authorization - we are just building a nice/easy way to enable this for everyone (probably using the same model as Postgraphile: https://www.graphile.org/postgraphile/security/)

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by tr33house »

blunte wrote: post #137
DigitalSea wrote: post #104

I am ecstatic that someone is finally taking on Firebase. As a Firebase user, I find it invaluable. Their free plan and limits are very generous. The fact they offer not only a database, but authentication, hosting and perhaps one of their biggest features besides authentication: Firebase Functions. I have API's in deployment that are solely running using Firebase Functions and using Firestore as the database. The CL…

I've read too many stories of people and companies being temporarily (and possibly permanently) incorrectly flagged/banned from Google (by some algorithm). If your business depends on Google, you are taking serious risk. Even if you have a contact within Google who can champion your case, a loss of your Google services could end your business.

I wouldn't worry about this. Any examples?

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by bmikaili »

nicoburns wrote: post #121
mav3rick wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't they charge for a great product ? When Google charges it's a problem when they don't charge it's a problem.

No, when they tout the product as free or cheap, and then only later up the pricing by 10x, once people have built their business around the older pricing model. That's a problem.

God forbid someone wants to get money for their product

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by block_dagger »

kiwicopple wrote: post #136
RNCTX wrote: post #129

I see from the links that this is probably borrowing a bit from Postgrest? I've just discovered Postgrest in the past few days and along with Postgraphile it seems like all of these projects aimed at "getting back to the database" are a good idea, I like it. It always bothered me that the first order of business with any software development framework was to provide a root/admin database connection. It's like, this t…

You're right about PostgREST. See my comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23321132 > we're supposed to ignore all of the security work that went into making that database software for the past however many decades, and turn it into a dumb storage medium instead I couldn't agree more

With containerization and network orch layer, the db often isn’t the best place to enforce access perms.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by habosa »

Disclaimer: I work on Firebase but I'm always speaking for myself on Hacker News.

This looks really cool! Honestly I think the Firebase comparison may be throwing some people off here because this is a SQL-based system, which means there's a huge base of existing tools/techniques/knowledge to build from.

I like any tool which makes it easier to build an app. It's 2020 and we still start every app like this:

  * Pick a database
  * Spin up a server
  * Connect the DB to the server
  * Create a REST API for the server so the client can talk to the DB
  * Somehow make that secure enough
  * Write a bunch of CRUD code on the client
What a waste of time! Glad to see people like Supabase taking on this problem as well.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by [deleted] »

mav3rick wrote: post #135
nicoburns wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, when they tout the product as free or cheap, and then only later up the pricing by 10x, once people have built their business around the older pricing model. That's a problem.

If you don't want to pay then roll your own solution or use this startup

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