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Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by nicoburns »

mav3rick wrote: post #115
punnerud wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firebase smell the Google Maps model with its “free” for a long time plan, before turning up the price when most of the market is used to the product and are to deeply locked to the API.

Why shouldn't they charge for a great product ? When Google charges it's a problem when they don't charge it's a problem.

No, when they tout the product as free or cheap, and then only later up the pricing by 10x, once people have built their business around the older pricing model. That's a problem.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

renke1 wrote: post #100
kiwicopple wrote: post #72

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> I'd be coupling my client code to the implementation details of my server side DB [Supabase cofounder] Yes, although you can run this on the serverside too (we do). It's a rapid way to go "mostly ORMless" - you just focus on your database and we can do the repetitive stuff (CRUD)

Is there some kind of whitelisting for queries that come from the client as to avoid the hammering the DB with expensive queries / queries that make no sense?

The auth system we are building is targeting Postgres' Row Level Security which should cover these sort of problems. (more in my comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320443)

You'll also be able to add rate-limiting and various other plugins (IP bans, blacklisting) to your API as well. We still have a lot to build - we didn't actually post this so it's a bit early but I guess you can't choose your timing

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by keyle »

kiwicopple wrote: post #79
2mol wrote: post #75

This looks great, however at first peek it doesn't mention anything about auth. Do you have any plans for that? For me this is the topic I most want to just delegate to the service. Dashboard, realtime stuff, etc are great too. RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST [0], which is insanely excellent, so the value I'm looking for is to have everything managed, from hosting/storage, to security, to all the othe…

See my comments on Auth here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320443 > We want to nail the auth and we're looking at leveraging Postgres' native Row Level Security. This is a tricky task to "generalize" for all businesses but we have some good ideas (we're discussing in our repo if you want to follow - https://github.com/supabase/supabase ) > RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST That's what we use!…

Just chiming in... Auth, free hosting and SSL is what drove me to Firebase in the first place. DB is the last thing.

Just thought you should know, when I read "Firebase alternative", I got excited about something else.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by viig99 »

aswinmohanme wrote: post #16

Finally, waiting for something along the lines of these. Firebase is kind of the poster child for vendor lock in, and has been around for a long time. It's time we have some healthy competition.

https://github.com/daptin/daptin, DIY self hosted firebase and more!

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

pdimitar wrote: post #112
kiwicopple wrote: post #109

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>You guys hiring? Soon! We are joining the next YC cohort and we will hire after that Only some parts are elixir. The full stack is here: https://supabase.io/humans.txt

Apologies for shameless plug and off-topic but I am very enthusiastic about companies using Elixir. I am a senior dev (18.5y experience in total), currently focusing on Elixir and Rust (3.5y with Elixir so far, learning Rust fast and currently making an Elixir Rust bridge for the sqlite database). I'll be checking out your page every now and then. Do post in the "Who's hiring?" thread when you are ready to hire! I'll…

We'll definitely post in Whos Hiring around September. I'll keep a look-out for your handle here and around github

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by pdimitar »

kiwicopple wrote: post #125
pdimitar wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies for shameless plug and off-topic but I am very enthusiastic about companies using Elixir. I am a senior dev (18.5y experience in total), currently focusing on Elixir and Rust (3.5y with Elixir so far, learning Rust fast and currently making an Elixir Rust bridge for the sqlite database). I'll be checking out your page every now and then. Do post in the "Who's hiring?" thread when you are ready to hire! I'll…

We'll definitely post in Whos Hiring around September. I'll keep a look-out for your handle here and around github

My GitHub handle is `dimitarvp` (and almost everywhere else on the net really). Thanks for the chat! :)

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by chrisweekly »

nicoburns wrote: post #101
kiwicopple wrote: post #79

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See my comments on Auth here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320443 > We want to nail the auth and we're looking at leveraging Postgres' native Row Level Security. This is a tricky task to "generalize" for all businesses but we have some good ideas (we're discussing in our repo if you want to follow - https://github.com/supabase/supabase ) > RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST That's what we use!…

You might want to look into how Hasura does auth. IMO it's really well thought through. However, it doesn't handle the actual authentication, just the access permissions afterwards. If you could layer firebase-style auth "strategies" (email/password, Facebook, Open ID, etc) on top of that kind of system, while keeping everything accessible directly in the main database, that'd be pretty awsome.

IOW, Hasura does authZ vs authN, right?

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by RNCTX »

I see from the links that this is probably borrowing a bit from Postgrest? I've just discovered Postgrest in the past few days and along with Postgraphile it seems like all of these projects aimed at "getting back to the database" are a good idea, I like it. It always bothered me that the first order of business with any software development framework was to provide a root/admin database connection. It's like, this thing just explicitly said we're supposed to ignore all of the security work that went into making that database software for the past however many decades, and turn it into a dumb storage medium instead.

The lasting impact of Firebase is it proved to the world that being opinionated about the database in order to provide good tools is a viable business model, rather than force ORMs onto people to try and appease every different database flavor under the sun.

Good luck to you guys, I like the trend.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

keyle wrote: post #123
kiwicopple wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my comments on Auth here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320443 > We want to nail the auth and we're looking at leveraging Postgres' native Row Level Security. This is a tricky task to "generalize" for all businesses but we have some good ideas (we're discussing in our repo if you want to follow - https://github.com/supabase/supabase ) > RESTful APIs I can of course get with PostgREST That's what we use!…

Just chiming in... Auth, free hosting and SSL is what drove me to Firebase in the first place. DB is the last thing. Just thought you should know, when I read "Firebase alternative", I got excited about something else.

Good feedback - thanks. Stay excited! It's something we will build and we will make the experience as simple (simpler?) than Firebase
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