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A lot of “idiotic” things have reasonable explanations (2011)

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All of these are good factors, but don't leave out ego. Many smart people would rather be "right" and preserve their ego than make money.

Or social skills, many highly gifted also have less developed social skills.

this implies that having social skills in themselves are not a gift someone can possess.

Re: A lot of “idiotic” things have reasonable explanations (2011)

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Whenever you see someone who you believe to be an idiot succeeding, it usually means they're really good at the game and you don't even understand what the game is .

And in lots of cases you don't need to be smart to build a successful business - time and place often matter the most. Speaking here of my own experience. So yeah, often idiots can be super rich and its absolutely ok. Also you can be a genius going something without resources and connections, so there are millions of reasons why you can be way smarter than the rich guy on top while you are not rich at all.

Alan Turing comes to mind.

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And that many smart people have better things to do with their time than making more money. I have everything I need and really want. I much rather play with my three year old son in the garden than being able to afford a new Tesla.

TIL: Didn’t know I was stupid for having different goals than starting a family. In non mockery voice: I think there is nothing wrong in being smart and perusing academic titles, wealth or recognition. Can’t I be happy travelling the world because I have so much passive income that I don’t care how much I spend? Can’t I be happy running megacorporation without a child?

If you calmly re-read the post you were replying to, you will see that they didn't question different goals than theirs, at all. They said "many smart people", not all, and they didn't say that those outside that subset are stupid.

Re: A lot of “idiotic” things have reasonable explanations (2011)

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I love the way people who consider themselves smart rationalize their lack of success/wealth, including here. - I don't want to be wealthy anyway - To be wealthy you have to be ruthless and I prefer to be nice - smart people are so busy with issues much more important than money - wealthy people are just lucky idiots - wealthy people are just idiots who are better at exploiting other idiots - people who are wealthy s…

This is so true i don't understand the downvotes

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So Trump is really good at the political game, for instance?

He did become President of the USA so I think the answer is yes.

...and he's been planning it since the 1980s, so yeah, it's hard to make the argument that he didn't play the game persistently and well.

Re: A lot of “idiotic” things have reasonable explanations (2011)

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So Trump is really good at the political game, for instance?

Trump is a world-class salesman. And this skill is more about instinct than cerebral/deep thinking, which is why nerds “just don’t get it”. Check Scott Adams’ writing on Trump’s persuasion abilities.

>Trump is a world-class salesman.

When did Mexico agree to pay for the wall?

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Trump is a world-class salesman. And this skill is more about instinct than cerebral/deep thinking, which is why nerds “just don’t get it”. Check Scott Adams’ writing on Trump’s persuasion abilities.

But he has conspicuously failed to sell to 50% of his nation. Obama was a consummate salesman too and occupied the middle. Do you really think a rich entitled Trump who inherited his millions out-sold the first black president of the USA? Trump sold to his own. Obama sold worldwide. Tony Blair is a consummate lier and fraud and he sold better than Trump. He has a post prime ministerial income based on selling. Once T…

No one is making the argument that he's the best president ever, or even a good one. The point is that he became the President of the USA - he played the game very very well.

It becomes more apparent when you see his videos on the subject from the 1980s - he was planning this move for decades.

Re: A lot of “idiotic” things have reasonable explanations (2011)

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And that many smart people have better things to do with their time than making more money. I have everything I need and really want. I much rather play with my three year old son in the garden than being able to afford a new Tesla.

TIL: Didn’t know I was stupid for having different goals than starting a family. In non mockery voice: I think there is nothing wrong in being smart and perusing academic titles, wealth or recognition. Can’t I be happy travelling the world because I have so much passive income that I don’t care how much I spend? Can’t I be happy running megacorporation without a child?

Generally, happiness is a reward from doing what your genes want you to do. The greatest happiness therefore, should be found in the process of breeding and caring for offspring.

Social status (consumption, skills and achievements) helps you secure higher quality mates and offers greater security to your offspring. That's why gaining social status, feels worthwhile, but without kids it feels a bit empty.

Before kids, I knew the breeding was pretty good fun, but my genes gave me no indication that having kids would be fun too.

Perhaps thats just to ensure those genes are spread far and wide and to concentrate on social status before the all consuming process of caring for offspring begins.

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Passing on wealth to your children is part of the game. Or did you think the game ends after 1 generation?

Now you are moving the goalposts from singular they are good at the game, to their family as a collective is good at the game. A statement perfectly compatible with that particular family member being an idiot.

Idiot usually means someone who doesn't know basic facts or has trouble anticipating consequences for their actions. But I think part of GPs comment was to note that the concept of idiot needs to be readdressed. For example, if your hypothetical person has a family network (just another tool; but a v. good one!) that helps them, then they choose to either stick with their family or try to strike out on their own. We're already discussing the situation where they have chosen to leverage their family network.

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Trump is a world-class salesman. And this skill is more about instinct than cerebral/deep thinking, which is why nerds “just don’t get it”. Check Scott Adams’ writing on Trump’s persuasion abilities.

>Trump is a world-class salesman. When did Mexico agree to pay for the wall?

He's not world class at selling walls. He's world class at selling Donald Trump.
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