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Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by arcturus17 »

aswinmohanme wrote: post #16

Finally, waiting for something along the lines of these. Firebase is kind of the poster child for vendor lock in, and has been around for a long time. It's time we have some healthy competition.

Genuinely curious, what are the hot spots for vendor lock-in?

I’m currently building an MVP for a large client and I’m thinking of replacing Firebase for a custom back-end if the project grows. I think with the current size it would be easy but I want to avoid passing the point where it becomes hard to undo.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by cpursley »

arcturus17 wrote: post #21
aswinmohanme wrote: post #16

Finally, waiting for something along the lines of these. Firebase is kind of the poster child for vendor lock in, and has been around for a long time. It's time we have some healthy competition.

Genuinely curious, what are the hot spots for vendor lock-in? I’m currently building an MVP for a large client and I’m thinking of replacing Firebase for a custom back-end if the project grows. I think with the current size it would be easy but I want to avoid passing the point where it becomes hard to undo.

Take a look at Hasura - GraphQL out of the box on top of solid relational database (Postgres)

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by closetnerd »

aswinmohanme wrote: post #16

Finally, waiting for something along the lines of these. Firebase is kind of the poster child for vendor lock in, and has been around for a long time. It's time we have some healthy competition.

AWS amiplfiy seems like its trying to do something similar

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

tmikaeld wrote: post #4
kiwicopple wrote: post #2

co-founder here, happy to answer any questions. We're currently in alpha - app.supabase.io We also have a lot more to build, so to reward you for your patience we are completely free right now

How much cheaper than Firebase do you expect to be when you launch?

Good (leading) question :)

It's hard to answer because we're so early, so the most honest answer I can give is: i don't know.

Firebase just changed their pricing to "pay as you go". I need to dig into their pricing to give a good comparison but I think we will be much cheaper for the IAAS aspect - we will try offer more value via the dashboard (i.e. we want to build an Airtable-like interface for non-techies to use), and charge on that aspect.

One more thing - we personally find predictable pricing to be an important feature of IAAS and therefore will probably price differently to firebase's usage model.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by aman-pro »

cpursley wrote: post #23
arcturus17 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely curious, what are the hot spots for vendor lock-in? I’m currently building an MVP for a large client and I’m thinking of replacing Firebase for a custom back-end if the project grows. I think with the current size it would be easy but I want to avoid passing the point where it becomes hard to undo.

Take a look at Hasura - GraphQL out of the box on top of solid relational database (Postgres)

In Hasura your still need a 3rd party service such as Firebase or 0Auth for Authentication. Also, it depends on Serverless functions for doing any business logic.

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by quickthrower2 »

aswinmohanme wrote: post #16

Finally, waiting for something along the lines of these. Firebase is kind of the poster child for vendor lock in, and has been around for a long time. It's time we have some healthy competition.

This has been around for a while: https://parseplatform.org/

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by danielscrubs »

kiwicopple wrote: post #10
nmfisher wrote: post #3

My app is currently built on top of Firebase but I’m keenly aware of the cost of lock-in as traffic escalates. Is this a replacement for the whole suite of Firebase offerings (hosting, auth and data store) or just a subset? What’s the migration pathway for someone currently on Firebase?

We've been building furiously since January but (not surprisingly) we haven't yet reached feature parity. But we will :) > data store Yes - our data store is just Postgres so you can migrate in/out - no lockin > hosting, auth Not yet. We want to nail the auth and we're looking at leveraging Postgres' native Row Level Security. This is a tricky task to "generalize" for all businesses but we have some good ideas (we're…

That's pretty much what I've been wanting for years. Open Source software that make row level security super convenient via Postgres and OAuth and that can handle subscription.

Kudos!

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by kiwicopple »

seanwilson wrote: post #20

How do the querying features compare to Firebase? Firebase is notorious for having an unintuitive lack of server-side query options when you start using it.

We've begun work on our serverside libraries, but we have a way to go. Baby steps -

Rust: https://github.com/supabase/postgrest-rs

Python: https://github.com/supabase/postgrest-py

These libraries underly the core supabase libraries. You can vote for more libraries here: https://github.com/supabase/supabase/issues/5

Re: Supabase (YC S20) – An open source Firebase alternative

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Post by ratww »

aman-pro wrote: post #26
cpursley wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at Hasura - GraphQL out of the box on top of solid relational database (Postgres)

In Hasura your still need a 3rd party service such as Firebase or 0Auth for Authentication. Also, it depends on Serverless functions for doing any business logic.

> In Hasura your still need a 3rd party service such as Firebase or 0Auth for Authentication

That's false. You can write your own service or use some open source authentication system, like you would in a normal website. Or use JWT tokens. It doesn't have to be a 3rd-party service.

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