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I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by monadic2 »

vosper wrote: post #25
monadic2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. Do you have an example? These seem like inherently contradictory values. You can either make a safe platform or one that treats its tenants well. Like many of its products, google has not made it clear which set of…

> Do you have an example? LMGTFY https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+%22not+doing+enough%...

That mostly turns up media results, not anything you can extrapolate generally. There is likely money behind this media push somewhere—I’m curious if this extends to real people.

Among other things, this could indicate a market opportunity for a video site that either promises quality or some mechanism to work around DMCA claims—the combination google chose seems to piss everyone off.

Or, it could mean nothing and people just want normal features for the site like the ability to disable comments on the client side.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by jay_kyburz »

renewiltord wrote: post #145
jay_kyburz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I understand there simply not being enough manpower on Earth to manually review so many cases It's an unpopular opinion, but perhaps there doesn't need to be so many videos online for public viewing. I don't think its much to ask for a real human to review every video before allowing it to be made public. The posting person could perhaps pay a small fee for the video to be reviewed. We could have more relaxed rules…

I don'y understand why you just don't make your own site instead of ruining the one we like.

I don't really want a video site. What I want is a world where people can be held accountable for the things they post publicly on the internet, whether that's YouTube, Facebook, Twitter or any other medium.

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Post by redml »

gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

The problem is they aren't giving benefit of the doubt in channels that are in good standing for a long time with high subscriber/viewership/video counts. The guy has 100k subscribers and fairly active videos that don't get reported, you'd think that would count for something. Someone doesn't go from uploading regular content to "revenge porn" overnight.

If it doesnt work on large channels then there's no blackmailing possible. If it works on smaller channels then you can't be a "bad actor" as easily.

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Post by virvar »

movedx wrote: post #70
tekkk wrote: post #59

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I don't think they are really doing their best. If other Google's support forums are any indicator of their effort, they are mostly trying to automate the whole process as much as possible which then causes errors like this. Which makes sense from the SV software engineer perspective, but really is unfathomable to the normal user who then has to live in fear if some malicious teenager decides to ruin their channel. I…

> Instead of actually trying to create the best customer service I've worked in high volume customer services. It's not easy for the agents doing the work or the companies operating them. I've worked in multiple call centers dealing with calls and tickets. I've worked in companies in which I dealt with mobile phone bill queries and hardware issues right up to Cisco networking problems and then eventually enterprise g…

I work in the public sector of Europe. One of the primary reasons that we prefer Azure and AWS to google cloud is support.

When things go really wrong on our office365 platform or any part of Azure, Seattle will call us on the the hour with updates until it’s fixed. We have programs within Microsoft support where our developers and sysops can suggest changes, and if the suggestions gather enough popularity and fit within whatever criteria Microsoft have internally they’ll happen.

AWS didn’t always have the great support they do now, but as far as cloud operations (the nerdy bits) go, I think they’re actually better at it than even Microsoft. It build up gradually along with GDPR, but they were the first of the major three to offer things like support for AWS services that’s actually located within the European Union. I’m not updated on Microsoft, but AWS may still be the only company to do that.

Compare that to Google, where we get to talk with an automated system, the same as though we weren’t a 3,3 billion a year budget organisation. I’ve had better personal support for my free google account than I have for our company google cloud account.

Don’t get me wrong, we would probably have a lot of GDPR related reasons to prefer Azure or AWS even if google had better support, but the lack of support means we’ve never gotten beyond that step in our risk assessments.

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Post by _puk »

greggman3 wrote: post #175
novok wrote: post #100

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They might have 1 billion free users, but they definitely don't have 1 billion partners or 1 billion paying customers. Google's customer service is horrible even for organizations that pay them +$10k/month or make them +$10k/month for ad sales, and that is a far smaller number. You would think they could at least scale customer support properly for that much smaller number, but they don't because culturally they do n…

> Google's customer service is horrible even for organizations that pay them +$10k/month or make them +$10k/month for ad sales, and that is a far smaller number. Is this true? As a paying customer for gsuite, the 4 times I've contacted customer service I got someone immediately and they solved my problem immediately. I'm not a big customer either I have one account. I pay them $72 a year.

Personal supporting anecdote:

I have a grandfathered free GSuite plan on a domain I hardly use.

The few issues I have had have been promptly solved by a real person.

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Post by antpls »

causality0 wrote: post #84

Google has an absolute fetish for making the ratio of profit to employees as large as possible. They will do it at any cost. There is no Google service without horrific customer support. Youtube, Google Fiber, Google Fi, doesn't matter. They refuse to accept that having 2x as many customers requires 2x as many support personnel.

Aren't YouTube's customers the advertisers paying to have their ads displayed? YouTubers are not customers. At best, I believe they are "partners" (like with Twitch)

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Post by gowthamgts12 »

causality0 wrote: post #84

Google has an absolute fetish for making the ratio of profit to employees as large as possible. They will do it at any cost. There is no Google service without horrific customer support. Youtube, Google Fiber, Google Fi, doesn't matter. They refuse to accept that having 2x as many customers requires 2x as many support personnel.

also applies to android developers as well. they have been struggling for a very long time due to app takedowns without human intervention.

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Post by nikanj »

RandomTisk wrote: post #205
wayoutthere wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a big fan of looking at annual reports to understand a company. Google is not subtle about where its priorities lie. There is a section in their 10-K titled “How we make money” and the two sub-bullets are “Performance advertising” and “Brand advertising”. The rest is a footnote. Their revenue breakdown tells a similar story. Google as a whole had revenues of $161B in 2019, and $134B of that was direct revenue fro…

Does this mean that Google is basically using all their services like Stadia or Fiber to keep people's minds aware of their presence, essentially using these services as their own advertisement outreach while hoping they also return a profit on their own advertisement?

They're also a recruitment tool. It's much easier to convince people to join Google with the promise of working on cool new tech, instead of just micro-hyper-optimizing endless facets of ad placement.

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Post by nikanj »

ericflo wrote: post #43
panzagl wrote: post #39

Is there a legitimate, distinct, unique use case for cryptocurrency to weigh against it's use as an enabler for extortion??

It's in the post - the author was able to put the taken-down video back up on lbry.tv, which is a cryptocurrency-based decentralized media platform.

How does that even work? I think just the payment system on that media platform is crypto based. I've never heard of content-hosting on the block chain?

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by qqj »

It used to be that everyone on the internet were a Dog, nowadays it seems like the internet became a cesspool of stagnant hyper centralized services catering to the lowest common denominator (twitter, youtube, linkedin, facebook) with morally bankrupt somali-pirate types circling around them like vultures.

In the old days griefing was done for the lulz. Today it's done out of malice, or worse, out of greed.

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